[rasav]

I would like a couple ideas for turning my fingers into pretzles and inducing carple tunnle.
I would like ideas that start in a high speed flamenco then do a barrle roll into ten finger two-toe tap and level off into a pick screaming 240 beat per minute shred fest using two picks simultaniously to pound out apreggieos in a funkked up mode I've never heard of... can you help a guy out???

(I've allready done black page, sor's works for virtuoso's most of yngwe(esp) and almost every speed metal/bluegrass and neo classical I can find.)

Thanks...rasav

[strangerdanger]

I think if you're at that level of competency then you should possibly write your own.

I figure that once most recording guitarists today no longer found themselves being challenged by other peoples work, or found that no one wrote the kind of stuff that they like to play, they began to write their own.

So please, invent, and then post the results

This post has been edited by strangerdanger: 15 March 2005 - 02:50 PM

[superwinkie]

I'll just wait for dadfad to grace this thread!

[dadfad]

I've never equated speed with skill, except by mere coincidence at times.

[superwinkie]

Man, thats a great quote. I shall remember it.

[rasav]

I've never equated speed with skill, except by mere coincidence at times.

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Speed alone is not a qualifier of skill or even an indicator thereof, however, speed in the name of art when combined with both knowladge and true love of ones art can be and often is manifested as a faucet of that art.
...or would you rather listen to foggy mountian breakdown at 60bpm? ...

[rasav]

I think if you're at that level of competency then you should possibly write your own.

I figure that once most recording guitarists today no longer found themselves being challenged by other peoples work, or found that no one wrote the kind of stuff that they like to play.

So please, invent, and then post the results

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Ah but I do compose all the time (I wish I were as enthusatic about recording.)
The thing... is in order to get better at any level you need to explore, stretch your horizons and do things that take a little doing. I just got done with a study of french trubador music for the cittern and am about to embark on a sidetrip into art decco trumpet pieces (Those lonely solos you hear in private eye movies.)
The idea, not so much looking for challenges, as frontiers and rubicons to musical places that I haven't been too.
(Yes I know I'm long winded...sorry )

[mrbreeze]

I've never equated speed with skill, except by mere coincidence at times.

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*standing ovation* I couldn't agree more.

[grzegorz_panek]

I would like a couple ideas for turning my fingers into pretzles and inducing carple tunnle.
I would like ideas that start in a high speed flamenco then do a barrle roll into ten finger two-toe tap and level off into a pick screaming 240 beat per minute shred fest using two picks simultaniously to pound out apreggieos in a funkked up mode I've never heard of... can you help a guy out???

(I've allready done black page, sor's works for virtuoso's most of yngwe(esp) and almost every speed metal/bluegrass and neo classical I can find.)

Thanks...rasav

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OK, but first you must drop 2 things.

1. You must drop a pick.
2. You must drop the "neo" part from classical.

Try some ragtimes. Blind Blake's West Coast Blues, Joplins rags arranfed for guitar, etc.

[dadfad]

I've never equated speed with skill, except by mere coincidence at times.

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Speed alone is not a qualifier of skill or even an indicator thereof, however, speed in the name of art when combined with both knowladge and true love of ones art can be and often is manifested as a faucet of that art.
...or would you rather listen to foggy mountian breakdown at 60bpm? ...

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Actually, I would (but then it wouldn't be a "breakdown" any more would it? ). I don't really care for most bluegrass-music for the same reason I don't care for most speed-metal. The point becomes speed as opposed to the music itself. An exercise in notes-per-second over melody, voicing and phrasing. The only difference being the scale used (major versus mixolydian, etc). I like to "turn on the faucet" but not so fast that it splashes out onto the front of my pants and looks like I've wet myself! That being said, you might want to look into some tunes by say Blind Blake, Lonnie Johnson, John Jackson, etc where many of their tunes mix a fairly high rate of fingerpicking speed combined with alternating-thumb bass and fluid finger-picked chordal voice changes and frag-runs through progressions like I-VI-II-V; I-III-VI-II-V; etc.

[okiejohn]

Yeah, sometimes speed can be entertaining, I've heard Ricky Skaggs and his bunch do some really fast stuff, but I've heard that sometimes what ya don't play is maybe more important than what ya do.

Give me Buddy Guy any day, he gives those notes some time to sink in and mean something while he stands there grinnin.

[Will_Wood]

Try some classical stuff!!!!!!!!!1

It is fun and can be added to all types of music...

(By the way- I hate Yngwie Malmsteem. He steals classical riffs from brilliant composers and calls them his own. Trash.)

[nem2k]

The point becomes speed as opposed to the music itself. An exercise in notes-per-second over melody, voicing and phrasing

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dont you just love it when a guitarist has the ability to incorporate both elements into their playing like john petrucci

[grzegorz_panek]

The point becomes speed as opposed to the music itself. An exercise in notes-per-second over melody, voicing and phrasing

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dont you just love it when a guitarist has the ability to incorporate both elements into their playing like john petrucci

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To play Blind Blake well takes just as much skill as to play Petrucci.

Look at Dadfad's conclusion:

That being said, you might want to look into some tunes by say Blind Blake, Lonnie Johnson, John Jackson, etc where many of their tunes mix a fairly high rate of fingerpicking speed combined with alternating-thumb bass and fluid finger-picked chordal voice changes and frag-runs

It's very true. And it's also very true that if you're into polyphonic music of any type, be it classical or traditional fingerstyle, there are things other than speed that may be a problem.

I could list a dozen of titles of relatively slow tunes where the fingering and bass + treble line provide much more complexity than simply fast songs.

Some fast acoustic songs, like Asturias or Malaguena (played fast) are prety simple as compared to a bit slower ragtimes.

[pimp_vince]

if you're looking for non acoustic stuff... try the mars volta. they're kind of all over the place, i mean the music still makes sense, but it's kind of difficult in terms of just playing open strings at random while up high on the fretboard.

maybe singing while playing might be the next logical step

slide guitar?

[slick50]

I would like a couple ideas for turning my fingers into pretzles and inducing carple tunnle.
I would like ideas that start in a high speed flamenco then do a barrle roll into ten finger two-toe tap and level off into a pick screaming 240 beat per minute shred fest using two picks simultaniously to pound out apreggieos in a funkked up mode I've never heard of... can you help a guy out???

(I've allready done black page, sor's works for virtuoso's most of yngwe(esp) and almost every speed metal/bluegrass and neo classical I can find.)

Thanks...rasav

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you could tray some Don Rass. If nothing, you will get both hands plucking strings and tapping the guitar.

[lhall]

Some wise words from an interview with Andres Segovia. "If I was walking down the street and somebody stopped me saying 'I saw you on TV last night and man you play real fast', I would walk away disappointed. But if they said what I played really moved them and tapped into their emotions, I have succeeded as a musician".

[rasav]

Thanks...

[Will_Wood]

Thanks...

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LOL none of us gave you any song ideas...did we? oops.

I'm ashamed of us guys.

ummmmmmm...hmmmmm...Expert songs...Try anything by
Andres Segovnia. He is frickin' brilliant. And you can steal some of his riffs and call them your own!!! (like Malmsteem....may he burn in hell!)

[janschek]

rasav, that was pretty hilarious I have to say.

you might want to try a song that also requires the guitar to be played behind your head (if you can bend far enough to reach your toes swami-style to add arpeggio harmony or some slide effects, then that is a distinct plus). It is also important to wear a catsuit a la The Darkness with an enormous V cut out of the front. I can't explain why exactly, it just is. There's a song on the tip of my tongue dammit.....