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Posted 27 February 2006 - 01:50 PM

I just commissioned to get a custom guitar built by a luthier up in British Columbia named Trevor Kronbauer. This is my first hand-built guitar and I am extremely excited. The specs aren't final, but this is what I have decided thus far:

Mini Jumbo
Ziricote Back and Sides w/no sapwood in the center
Cedar Top
5-piece neck (Mahogany, maple, IR, maple, mahogany)
Flamed Maple Binding
Flamed Maple Logo
Traditional Florentine Cutaway
Ebony Bridge, Fretboard, and Bridge pins
K & K Mini Western
1 13/16" nut
Gotoh 510 tuners (gold with black buttons)
Cool Rosette (It will have a abalone center with two circles of ziricote surrounding it, At least that is what I am thinking).
Maybe a 12th fret inlay

I might change some of the small details, but this essentially what my new kronbauer will be. I will post pics as they come.

You can check out Trevor Kronbauer's website and look at some of the pictures and stuff or previously built guitars at:

kronbauerguitars.com

Anyone have some good ideas for a 12th fret inlay. I would like to include one in the guitar, but if I can't think of anything worth putting on the guitar, I just won't get a 12th fret inlay.

Sounds like it is going to take about 9 months to get the guitar. I am pregnant with a guitar! laugh.gif

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 03:17 PM

Well if your just keeping it simple then why bother with anything in the 12th just keep dots. Id change the machine heads if i was you though. If your going to go as far as this you may as well put waverlys on there. Also what are you haveing for the brace wood and kurfing? and the perfling? if your haveing any at all that is.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:54 AM

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Well if your just keeping it simple then why bother with anything in the 12th just keep dots. Id change the machine heads if i was you though. If your going to go as far as this you may as well put waverlys on there. Also what are you haveing for the brace wood and kurfing? and the perfling? if your haveing any at all that is.


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The bracing wood is going to be sitka spruce, and the kerfling is going to be mahogany. The purlfring, I am still deciding on. I want it to match the overall scheme of the guitar. I am thinking along the line of bloodwood.

I know that the gear ratio for waverly's are 16:1 compared to gotoh 510's 21:1, but I have never used waverly's before, and i really like the gotoh 510's. Other than the turning ratio, what would be the benefit of getting waverlys apart from gotohs?

I am using abalone in the rosette. It is the only abalone on the guitar (except for maybe the dots on the side of the fretboard). So I kind of wanted to accent that abalone with an abalone inlay on the fretboard. I was thinking something along the line of a small rose vine along the 12-14th frets, or some kind of celtic symbol or something.

Would you reccomend anything that I am not getting on the guitar? It is my first hand-built, and I kind of have everything so far that I need such as a cutaway and the wood combo. I am an avid fingerstyle guitarist. No picks or fingerpicks, only flesh and sometimes fingernails, so the I am kinda looking for a certain sound. I believe the ziricote/cedar combo will produce a desired sound. I don't play hard enough to overdrive the top. Apart from those few things, most everything is aesthetics.

Let me know what you think adds.

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:49 PM

I think it sounds like you have researed it enough to know what you want wood wise and that a personal choice anyway. So i dont really have any suggestions reall. Waverly are just really f*cking good quality tuners thats all. You cant go wrong with them and on a guitar like that its just something id be looking at. If not Rogers even but that will push the price right up. If your going with abalone rosette have you considered mateing purfling? It looks very nice. Alot of it really personal choice at the end of the day.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 01:14 PM

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If your going with abalone rosette have you considered mateing purfling? It looks very nice. Alot of it really personal choice at the end of the day.


What is mateing purfling? Never heard of it before.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 01:47 PM

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QUOTE (adds @ Feb 28 2006, 10:49 AM)
If your going with abalone rosette have you considered mateing purfling? It looks very nice. Alot of it really personal choice at the end of the day.


What is mateing purfling? Never heard of it before.



Sorry matching. Me and my dodgy typeing again biggrin.gif
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE (adds @ Feb 28 2006, 11:47 AM)
QUOTE (PingerFicker @ Feb 28 2006, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE (adds @ Feb 28 2006, 10:49 AM)
If your going with abalone rosette have you considered mateing purfling? It looks very nice. Alot of it really personal choice at the end of the day.


What is mateing purfling? Never heard of it before.



Sorry matching. Me and my dodgy typeing again biggrin.gif



I would put matching abalone purfling on the top if it weren't $300 extra. When designing the guitar, I set a maximum price that I am willing to spend and then prioritized the things that I want on the guitar. Abalone purfling is something that I wanted to do, but I had already exceeded my spending limit, and abalone purfling wasn't high enough in the priority list. Except for the abalone rosette, I was going for a woody feel. i don't want too much abalone on the guitar. I wouldn' even put abalone in the rosette if the design didn't look so freakin awesome. Maybe the next custom built I buy, (which could be 10 years, but I am guessing less) I will be out of college, can pay more for aesthetics and will deck out a guitar in abalone. It will be the opposite of this one I am building now.

By the way, i think I am going to stick with the gotoh 510's. The 21:1 tuner ratio is more appealing to me. The waverly's are a little too vintage looking for me anyway, for this guitar at least. I really wouldn't fit the scheme of the guitar. The only bad thing about the 21:1 tuner ratio is that I sometimes alternate tune, and I will have to turn the tuner more to get it down a whole step than that of a 16:1 ratio. But as a tradeoff, I will get to better fine tune the string to be pretty close to dead on. I have a pretty good ear. I am guessing I can tune within 3-5 cents.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 05:36 AM

Fair enough. It your guitar after all. You have it how you want it. Thats the idea haveing one made special smile.gif .

Still would have been better with a nice set of waverlys wth ebony buttons though tongue.gif .
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 02:58 PM

Sounds like you've really thought it over. I just finished checking out the site and it looks like this guy makes some beautiful guitars. Good luck, and just hang in there, it's ONLY 9 months to wait. cheers.gif guitar.gif


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Posted 12 May 2006 - 11:55 PM

Hey,

I just got picture of the back set for my custom built. It is a beautiful example of Ziricote. Oh!! do I love ziricote. Only 7 more months untill i get this bad boy in my hands.

See if you can see kind of a crazed rooster in the patern. Someone pointed it out to me in another forum.




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Posted 13 May 2006 - 02:09 AM

Its a beautiful bit of wood and will look even better onece you get a finish on it. I cant see a rooster though.

What finish are you haveing by the way?
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Posted 15 May 2006 - 12:44 AM

Cant see a rooster but it does look awesome, Gonna be a damn beautiful guitar. My next acoustic is definatly gonna be one commisioned thru a luthier. Its just a matter of being able to afford it maybe ill hit the lottery and all my problems will be solved.
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 02:09 AM

I see the rooster!

Seems like this guitar is going to be brilliant. I can't wait until I get my first custom made....*dreams*...*drools*

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 10:55 AM

Sounds like a great instrument! Those tuners are pretty good anyway and you can always upgrade in the future if you ever feel the need. I'm on a waiting list for a custom-built too, and have been for over three-years. This might be the year (I've already recieved a preliminary phone-call about any changes I might want to make, estimated materials price changes, etc). Since I got on the list, his estimated waiting-time has increased to about ten years! laugh.gif (Damn, a guy could be dead in ten years! laugh.gif ) Anyway, it sounds like a great guitar you're having built!
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE (dadfad @ May 17 2006, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds like a great instrument! Those tuners are pretty good anyway and you can always upgrade in the future if you ever feel the need. I'm on a waiting list for a custom-built too, and have been for over three-years. This might be the year (I've already recieved a preliminary phone-call about any changes I might want to make, estimated materials price changes, etc). Since I got on the list, his estimated waiting-time has increased to about ten years! laugh.gif (Damn, a guy could be dead in ten years! laugh.gif ) Anyway, it sounds like a great guitar you're having built!


10 Years!!!! ohmy.gif Who did you commission yours from? Also, what kind of guitar are you getting and what are some of the specs?

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 12:41 PM

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Sounds like a great instrument! Those tuners are pretty good anyway and you can always upgrade in the future if you ever feel the need. I'm on a waiting list for a custom-built too, and have been for over three-years. This might be the year (I've already recieved a preliminary phone-call about any changes I might want to make, estimated materials price changes, etc). Since I got on the list, his estimated waiting-time has increased to about ten years! laugh.gif (Damn, a guy could be dead in ten years! laugh.gif ) Anyway, it sounds like a great guitar you're having built!


10 Years!!!! ohmy.gif Who did you commission yours from? Also, what kind of guitar are you getting and what are some of the specs?

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If i remember rightly its ging to be a bit of a mixture f all the things he likes about different guitars rolled into one. Bit of an experiment on Johns part . A pricey experiment some mights say. And its being made by Wayne Henderson whos arguably considered to be the best luthier on the planet. Id like one of his gitars myself but you cant jump the que for love nor money and 10 years is one yell of a wait. I think John said a little while back that hes even considering not takeing any more orders as he feels he may not have long enough left to finish them sad.gif
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 02:00 PM

Adam was correct about everything. My guitar is (very basically) a combination of what I like best about a J-45 (actually a "The Jumbo" which is the earliest form of the J-45) and a J-200 (including woods) with a custom neck and scale-length (equivelent to a J-45 capoed on the 1 1/2th fret!), relatively simple but nice decoration, etc. Wayne is actually more of a Martin-directed luthier but can of course do anything. I met Wayne a number of years ago accidently in a small town in West Virginia (he lives in Virginia) when I was on my way to a guitar workshop. We both happened to be in the same diner and got into a long conversation because I was carrying a guitar-case, and I've met him several times since, including the preliminaries about my guitar. We aren't buddies or anything (I wish I was, might save me a few bucks and some time! laugh.gif ) (but then again, probably not. Wayne makes no exceptions on his list. Clapton's name was the name after my friend's name, and my friend got his first.) I know three people personally who have Hendersons, all fine guitars, but to be honest, only one of them I like all that much, and none better than my "main-guitar" I have now. The others sound too Martinish (except of course superior tonally and in playability. Like the "essense of Martin." Does that make any sense? laugh.gif ) I'm hoping he can improve even more on the things I like about my favorite guitar. Except for some possible rare exception or ridiculously fantastic deal I might encounter, etc, in all likelihood this will be the last guitar I ever buy.

Henderson has built for unknowns as well as big-names (and probably mostly unknowns)... Clapton of course, Garth Brooks, Steve Stills, Doc Watson, Gillian Welch, my friend Bowling Green John Cephas (a "Taylor-artist" laugh.gif ) etc, etc. His guitars can be expensive but most aren't (as compared to high-end guitars by quality manufacturers). I believe Clapton's cost around $12,000. (When first given a very flexible-price over three years ago it was "probably under three" but has now gone to "four-ish, maybe less, maybe a little more" which is a lot, but not compared to say an upper-end Gibson or Martin that could easily cost that much and be nowhere near the guitar. Every piece of a Henderson is individually hand-made, totally finished with nothing un-sanded. The wood is hand-selected (and this is where the price can go crazy... he can build you a guitar from Appalachian spruce that was cut from the primeval "first-growth" Appalachian forests, dried since the mid 1800's if you want it (and if you want to add an extra zero onto the price tag). He checks everything for tone as he builds and goes along and will not hesitate to re-do something over again if he thinks he can make an improvement by doing so.

A friend said he heard Henderson has made just over 300 instruments in his lifetime. He's like the "Antonio Stadivari of guitars" I guess (I think old Antonio made about 700 fiddles in his lifetime). Anyway, I hope it'll be nice (and I hope I can afford it when the "final-call" comes! It takes him about three weeks or so once he starts.) Henderson isn't a name everybody knows. His guitars don't typically go up in value (not counting one like Clapton's which is probably worth half a mil or so just because of whose it was. Ol' Eric could probably get six-figures for his Walmart-guitar if he owned one!. I doubt if my buddy Matt, the guy before Clapton, could even get his $2750 back if he tried to sell it.) He's also an extremely talented bluegrasss picker, and holds a bluegrass festival every year near his hometown. Like Adam said, Wayne is considering not taking any future orders because as he's getting older (I'd say about sixty now or close to it) he's afraid he might not live long enough to complete the list.

So anyway, I'm hopefully waiting!
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Posted 17 May 2006 - 03:16 PM

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Adam was correct about everything. My guitar is (very basically) a combination of what I like best about a J-45 (actually a "The Jumbo" which is the earliest form of the J-45) and a J-200 (including woods) with a custom neck and scale-length (equivelent to a J-45 capoed on the 1 1/2th fret!), relatively simple but nice decoration, etc. Wayne is actually more of a Martin-directed luthier but can of course do anything. I met Wayne a number of years ago accidently in a small town in West Virginia (he lives in Virginia) when I was on my way to a guitar workshop. We both happened to be in the same diner and got into a long conversation because I was carrying a guitar-case, and I've met him several times since, including the preliminaries about my guitar. We aren't buddies or anything (I wish I was, might save me a few bucks and some time! laugh.gif ) (but then again, probably not. Wayne makes no exceptions on his list. Clapton's name was the name after my friend's name, and my friend got his first.) I know three people personally who have Hendersons, all fine guitars, but to be honest, only one of them I like all that much, and none better than my "main-guitar" I have now. The others sound too Martinish (except of course superior tonally and in playability. Like the "essense of Martin." Does that make any sense? laugh.gif ) I'm hoping he can improve even more on the things I like about my favorite guitar. Except for some possible rare exception or ridiculously fantastic deal I might encounter, etc, in all likelihood this will be the last guitar I ever buy.

Henderson has built for unknowns as well as big-names (and probably mostly unknowns)... Clapton of course, Garth Brooks, Steve Stills, Doc Watson, Gillian Welch, my friend Bowling Green John Cephas (a "Taylor-artist" laugh.gif ) etc, etc. His guitars can be expensive but most aren't (as compared to high-end guitars by quality manufacturers). I believe Clapton's cost around $12,000. (When first given a very flexible-price over three years ago it was "probably under three" but has now gone to "four-ish, maybe less, maybe a little more" which is a lot, but not compared to say an upper-end Gibson or Martin that could easily cost that much and be nowhere near the guitar. Every piece of a Henderson is individually hand-made, totally finished with nothing un-sanded. The wood is hand-selected (and this is where the price can go crazy... he can build you a guitar from Appalachian spruce that was cut from the primeval "first-growth" Appalachian forests, dried since the mid 1800's if you want it (and if you want to add an extra zero onto the price tag). He checks everything for tone as he builds and goes along and will not hesitate to re-do something over again if he thinks he can make an improvement by doing so.

A friend said he heard Henderson has made just over 300 instruments in his lifetime. He's like the "Antonio Stadivari of guitars" I guess (I think old Antonio made about 700 fiddles in his lifetime). Anyway, I hope it'll be nice (and I hope I can afford it when the "final-call" comes! It takes him about three weeks or so once he starts.) Henderson isn't a name everybody knows. His guitars don't typically go up in value (not counting one like Clapton's which is probably worth half a mil or so just because of whose it was. Ol' Eric could probably get six-figures for his Walmart-guitar if he owned one!. I doubt if my buddy Matt, the guy before Clapton, could even get his $2750 back if he tried to sell it.) He's also an extremely talented bluegrasss picker, and holds a bluegrass festival every year near his hometown. Like Adam said, Wayne is considering not taking any future orders because as he's getting older (I'd say about sixty now or close to it) he's afraid he might not live long enough to complete the list.

So anyway, I'm hopefully waiting!


Hey DADFAD,

A while back I was in a bookstore and I was flipping through a book called "Building Clapton's Guitar", or some such. I think this was the same guy, am I right?

Best of luck on yours.


EDIT: Yep, I should check my facts before asking dopey questions. Here's the book:

http://www.amazon.co...5Fencoding=UTF8

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 03:25 PM

Cheers for that link mclina i shall be ordering that book straight away. And yes that is the same bloke thats building Johns.

And John what scale length would that be exactly and what made you go for it.

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Posted 17 May 2006 - 03:59 PM

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Cheers for that link mclina i shall be ordering that book straight away. And yes that is the same bloke thats building Johns.

And John what scale length would that be exactly and what made you go for it.


Adam, it would be about a 23 1/2" scale. I want about a 1.315" fret-space (or a hair less) from my nut to first fret (a 24 3/4" scale J-45 being about 1.390"). The reason is that (as you've probably seen before) some guys will capo on the first or second fret for no other reason than to shorten that fret-spacing a very tiny bit, which can be the difference between consistantly hitting a note dead-solid or an occasional muffled or buzzed note when playing quickly or making a span at the extremes of one's ability. At the same time I figure (as an extra benefit) it would give me a very slightly looser string tension, which I often like and even tune down a step or so to get sometimes, for more bendability and speed. Just an experiment of course (hopefully a sucessful one), but Wayne thought it sounded logical and should work out.
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