[SomeKindOfSound]

Yo what's up im new to this forum i'm acually lookin to get a tab to a song more along the lines of a solo tab for a song
i was wonderin if anyone could help me out? I'd be really awesome and greatly appreciated.
That songs name is Dead meadow - What needs must be I realize that there are chords already for this song don't get me wrong
i got that part down but there is no solo tab for this song because is not to mainstream, any suggestions or any help would be awesome. Theres a capo on 2 for this.thanks
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=gTXf0Rtp98s

This post has been edited by SomeKindOfSound: 02 November 2009 - 07:43 PM

[SomeKindOfSound]

MAN i give up.

This post has been edited by SomeKindOfSound: 07 November 2009 - 02:15 AM

[dadfad]

For what it's worth, the lead just seems to be played out of the minor-pent scale from open (or in this case from the capoed second fret). Just in case, here's the basic scale box. (Use the notes in "Box 1" mostly.) (The nut shown below is of course now your capoed second fret.) Of course some of the notes need bends when played, etc. Anyway, I hope this helps a bit.

CODE

====================================================================


0    1       3       5       7       9          12  
E-||---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|
B-||---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|
G-||---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|
D-||---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|..(and repeats)
A-||---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|
E-||---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|

<... Box1 ....> <..... Box2 ......> <... Box3 ....> Main "Boxes"

..... <... Box1/2 .....> <... Box2/3 ....>  (Sub-Boxes)


(Sub-Boxes are basically the bottom of one box combined with
the top of the next box.)

===================================================================

Written In Tab Form

Box 1

----------------------0-3-------------
------------------0-3-----------------
--------------0-2---------------------
----------0-2-------------------------
------0-2-----------------------------
-0-3----------------------------------

Box 2

---------------------5-7--------------
-----------------5-8------------------
-------------4-7----------------------
---------5-7--------------------------
-----5-7------------------------------
-5-7----------------------------------


Box 3

-------------------------------10-12--
-------------------------10-12--------
--------------------9-12--------------
---------------9-12-------------------
---------10-12------------------------
--10-12-------------------------------



(And then repeats again from the 12th-fret with Box 1)

[SomeKindOfSound]

(And then repeats again from the 12th-fret with Box 1)[/code]
[/quote]
yeah i think u might be right u can see it in this video http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Ple8-zVNZBo , it's just too hard to for me to figure out i guess everyone else thought it was too hard to , but thanks.

[dadfad]

I could probably tab the first twenty-five or thirty seconds of the solo for you if you need it. (After that, it's pretty repititious except that he uses a wah-wah pedal on it.) Let me know.

[Tyroino09]

I dont care about getting my money back from a dead pet.... I just want to get rid of them. Could we get such a feature?

[SomeKindOfSound]

dude that would be awesome u have no idea, your the coolest person on this forum. a million thanks

[dadfad]

dude that would be awesome u have no idea, your the coolest person on this forum. a million thanks

No problem. It's gonna take me a couple of days before I can start (I'm finishing up on something else now.), but I'll see what I can do.

Later


Edit: 12/15/09

I'll be starting on it later today.

[dadfad]

I'm about half done. (A few things came up here at work.) I should have it by around Tuesday.

[SomeKindOfSound]

cool.cool. im thankful , take ur time no worries.

how far are u anyway?

This post has been edited by SomeKindOfSound: 01 January 2010 - 03:28 PM

[SomeKindOfSound]

cool.cool. im thankful , take ur time no worries.

This post has been edited by SomeKindOfSound: 03 January 2010 - 08:03 PM

[dadfad]

Sorry I didn't get this done before I was gone for the Christmas-New Years holidays. I have about ten seconds or so left to tab. I'll try to get it done tomorrow if I can. (I'm backed up here at work catching up for being off over the holidays.)

[dadfad]

I'm basically finished. I still wanna double-check it for typos or mistakes, etc. Sorry for the delay. I do this stuff at work on my lunch and so I only have about a half hour a day (at most, often less). I'll get it here soon.

[SomeKindOfSound]

ALRIGHT! i'm excited to see what you came up with.

[dadfad]

Okay, I have it done. I also did a brief sound-thing to go with it that might help and posted it on SoundClick. I went over the tab line by line at a little slower than regular speed. Here's the link...

Dead Meadows Tab Soundbite

I just used an acoustic guitar and crappy mic, but it still might be of some use. Keep in mind, going over it on an acoustic I don't get all the dynamics and nuances of electric at high volume... overdrives and sounds added by secondary vibrating strings, hammer-ons and pulloffs not quite as powerful as on an electric, etc, but the notes come through okay and it might help a bit. I added approximate timing locations on the tune link you provided on eached tabbed line to kind of sort it out a little. I didn't tab the second part of the lead with the wah-wah pedal. It has pretty much the same or similar licks anyway, just using the wah-pedal. If you get the first part, you can just do basically the same kind of thing just adding the wah. Let me know how this works for you. Anyway, here's the tab...

CODE

#-----------------------------------PLEASE NOTE-------------------------------#
# This file is the author's own work and represents his interpretation of the #
# music below. It's intent is for study or scholarship purposes only and is   #
# not intended for publication, nor for any other commercial use whatsoever.  #
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------#
For re-copying: Originally tabbed in Microsoft Notepad using Courier New 10-Font.

WHAT NEEDS MUST BE
(by Dead Meadow)
Tabbed by Dadfad (John M) 12/15/09

Key of F#m (Probably played with a capo on the second-fret.)


Lead-break only, from 2:27-3:01 Starting Right After the drum roll.
(3:01-3:23 is done in a very similar style, but with a wah-pedal)

Timing locations are approximate. Notes are given FROM THE CAPO on the 2nd-fret.

I use these tabbing symbols: / =slide up to; \ =slide down to; b =bend, or if
followed by a number in () bend to approximately that note; ~~ =add vibrato;
h =hammer on; po =pull-off. As an example -2b(3)ub2po0- means pick the 2 and
bend it to approximately the 3 then un-bend it back to the original 2-note then
pull-off to 0. Or 5/7~~ means slide up from the 5 to the 7 and then add vibrato.


Line 1
(2:27 to 2:32+)
E)-[ ]------3------2---------------------------------------------------------
B}-[C]-----------------------------------------------------------------------
G)-[A]--/4-----\2-----2b(3)ub2po0------------0--2b(3)ub2po0------------------
D)-[P]----------------------------2--0--0h2-----------------~2~------0h2po0--
A)-[O]------------------------------------------------------------0h2--------
E)-[ ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Line 2
(2:32+ to 2:37+)
E)-[ ]----------------------3------------0-0-0-0----0--0-0----------------
B}-[C]--------3-----3--3h5-----5---3h5---5-5-5-5---3h5-5-5--3p0-----------
G)-[A]---2/4-----4--------------------------------------------------------
D)-[P]--------------------------------------------------------------------
A)-[O]--------------------------------------------------------------------
E)-[ ]--------------------------------------------------------------------

Line 3
(2:37+ to 2:46)
E)-[ ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------
B}-[C]-------------------------------------------------------------------------
G)-[A]-2b--2b(3)ub2po0--------0----2-------------------------------------7/9~~-
D)-[P]-----------------2--0h2---/4----0--~2~--2/4~~-4--4/5~~-5/7~~-7/9~~9------
A)-[O]-------------------------------------------------------------------------
E)-[ ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Line 4
(2:46 to 2:52)
E)-[ ]-------------------------------------------------------------------
B}-[C]------------------------8------------------------------------------
G)-[A]-9po7h9b(11)--9b(11)~~-----9--7------7-------7---------------------
D)-[P]---------------------------------7/9-----7/9---9\7--7b(8)ub7po5----
A)-[O]----------------------------------------------------------------7--
E)-[ ]-------------------------------------------------------------------

Line 5
(2:53 to 2:56)
E)-[ ]------------------------------------------------------------
B}-[C]-------------------------------------------------------(0)--
G)-[A]----------------------------------------2b(4)ub2po0-----0---
D)-[P]-7b(8)~7b(8)ub7po5---------0h2-0-----0---------------2--0---
A)-[O]-------------------7---9---------/2-------------------------
E)-[ ]------------------------------------------------------------

Line 6
(2:56 t0 3:03)
E)-[ ]----0-------(0)--------------------------------------------------------------
B}-[C]----------3h5----------------------------------------------------------------
G)-[A]-/4----0-------4-4\2--2h4--4--4\2---2b(4)ub2po0----------------------------0-
D)-[P]------------------------------------------------2-0h2--2-0h2--2-0h2--2-0h2---
A)-[O]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
E)-[ ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------




The rest of the lead-break is done in a  very similar way, similar licks, etc
except a wah-wah pedal was used. The same or similar licks re-arranged in an
improvised way would all "fit" for a lead-break.

Let me finish by saying I'm not familiar with this tune or this band at all.
There other ways it could have been played as well. Being in the key of F#m,
the simplest way to do the tune (in standard tuning) would be to capo on the
second fret and then play "as if" in the key of Em which is how I tabbed it.
It could also be played of course with no capo, in which case all you would
have to do to the tab above is add two to each number. (The 0 at capo now
being 2, etc, etc.) It's also possible the guitar was not tuned to standard
tuning. It could have possibly been tuned a step-and-a-half lower (three
frets, the open strings now being C#F#BEGC#) and then played "as if" in Am.
If that were the case things would be moved over one string or played up the
neck with other changes. For example...

E)-[ ]------3------2-----------------
B}-[C]-------------------------------
G)-[A]--/4-----\2-----2b(3)ub2po0----...etc...<-(standard-tuned, capo on 2nd-Fret)
D)-[P]-----------------------------2-
A)-[O]-------------------------------
E)-[ ]-------------------------------

....could also be played (standard-tuned un-capoed) and higher up the neck like...

C#)--------------------------------
G )------10----9-------------------
E )--------------------------------...etc
B }--/11------\9---9b(10)ub9po7----
F#)------------------------------9-
C#)--------------------------------


And so it would be pretty difficult to tab it and re-tab it using every possibility
of how it might be played. So I chose the simplest one that I thought is probably
the most likely way. It's not often a guitarist will intentionally choose the most
difficult way to play something instead of the simplest way to play the same thing.


I've done a short soundbite at SoundClick to go with this tab. The address is:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=83982&songID=8615334


Anyway, I hope this helps a bit.

[SomeKindOfSound]

Hopes this helps a bit! This was a tremendous help! man this tab is damn near perfect! I've been practicing it non stop since you posted, i've gotten it to sound just like that sound bite you posted which was
really helpful by the way, you really out did yourself with this one man thanks.the only thing i'am sorta trouble shooting with is things like -2b(3)ub2po0-------------
-------------- 9po7h9b(11-----------------) -7b(8)~7b(8)ub7po5---------- I'm not exactly sure how its meant to be played really for example 2b(3))ub2po0-- d o i bend the note to be the same pitch as 3 then pull off
or do i play 3 in the middle of the bend or something like that then pull off basically i'am playing the notes in parentheses? i can play it to sound quite fine but i don't wanna miss out on anything on ur perfect tab.
i've also been experimenting with the wah pedal part i'am not exactly sure how go about it , i i think maybe if i just start it over or something and try figure it out with the notes u put in the tab it might end up sounding good with some work. thanks for taking the time to tab this for me its greatly appreciated.

This post has been edited by SomeKindOfSound: 15 January 2010 - 12:24 AM

[dadfad]

I'm glad it's helping. Sorry it took so long, but when I do a tab I try to make it as helpful as possible (including explanations or a little sound-thing or whatever) and like I said, I only have a short time each day.

I'll try to explain a bit more on those figures you mentioned.


--2b(3)ub2po0--

On that one you'd pick the 2-note and then bend it approximately to the sound of the 3-note (bends being just approximate, it isn't necessarily all the way to the 3). Then, after the bend, you unbend it back to the original 2-note. Then pull off to the open. It might take a little practice getting those notes (in effect four consecutive tones) to all sound smoothly and fully. (It's harder on an acoustic guitar than on an electric (especially played at higher volume) where you have more sustain helping you maintain the tones as you move through it.

--9po7h9b(11)--

You'd pick the 9-note and (having another finger waiting two frets back) pull it off to the 7. Then hammer back onto the 9-note again and bend it towards the 11-note. (On the tab that's quickly followed by another --9b(11)~~- which just means pick the 9 again and bend it towards the 11 again, adding a bit of vibrato if possible.

--7b(8)~7b(8)ub7po5--

On this one you'd pick the 7-note, bending it towards the 8-note adding a little vibrato if possible. Then pick the 7 again bending it towards the 8-note. And let it unbend back to the 7-note, then pull it off to the 5-note.


Some of this hammer/pull-off stuff is much easier to do at high volumes. It doesn't sound as strong at typical room-practice levels. At high volume you not only have just louder sound, you have that loudness from the amp reinforcing itself by making the the strings and guitar vibrate more, etc.


I wouldn't worry about being able to play it note for note. Get some of the licks and general moves together and work with them, adding more licks (or some of your own) as it gets more familiar.

You can bet the guy playing it played it a little differently the time before and the time after, and every time he played it. It's just that the recording kind of "etched in stone" that particular time it was played. He probably just improvised himself, using the general kinds of licks and phrases he wanted in there.

If you aren't used to a wah-wah pedal it can take a little getting used to, because your foot is not always in the same rhythm as your picking. I play pretty clean now (actually I don't play much electric any more, mostly just solo acoustic blues), but "back in the day" when I was younger in the 60s and early 70s and gigged a lot, we did a few tunes that were heavy on the wah-wah... Hendrix, Joe Walsh and Robin Trower, etc. It took me awhile to get it together. (Actually "funky-stuff" like the Temptations' "Psychedelic Shack" and (especially) "Cloud Nine" was the toughest. For me anyway.)

Anyway, I'm glad it helped. Any other questions or whatever, just ask.

[SomeKindOfSound]

hey i could'nt but notice that blues stuff on your sound bite page i was wondering if u could point me in the direction of some good blues songs to learn.

[dadfad]

Sure, no problem. I've been into blues a long time now, most of the going on forty-five years I've been playing. There really are lots of different kinds of blues, just as there's a lot of different kinds of rock (from rock'n'roll to acoustic-rock to death-metal and everything between). Most people, even most guitarists, when they think of "Blues" they think of electric mostly twelve-bar stuff. SRV, Clapton, Buddy Guy, Mayall and maybe a few of the older guys who went electric like Muddy Waters, Willie Dixon or Howlin' Wolf, etc. That's mostly "Chicago-style" blues (which evolved mainly from Delta-style blues). And that's good blues, whether contemporary stuff from newer guys like SRV, Clapton and Buddy Guy or "classic" from the older guys like Muddy, Wolf, John Lee Hooker, Willie Dixon, etc. (I've met all those older guys, and studied with Willie Dixon a bit.)

When I first started getting into blues (coming out of rock) when I thought of blues I thought of John Mayall and Eric Clapton and guys like that too mostly, but it wasn't long before (mostly from information I got off album liner-notes and credits on records by like The Cream, The Yardbirds, Jeff Beck, etc) I started wanting to find out what the original tunes of all these guys sounded like that I'd been hearing covers of (and myself doing covers of their covers). Back in the 60's (with no internet and no recording technology to produce cheap small sales-volume CDs like now) it was pretty hard finding the old original stuff by them. Mostly old 78s or reel-to-reel copies of old 78s, and a few LPs made during the late 50s/early 60s "folk-boom", but as I sort of got "in the loop" and found more and more old recordings, I found there was a really vast difference in blues genres and styles from region to region and era to era.

I was lucky enough that when I got into it back then, there were still quite a few of these old original bluesguys still around, largely forgotten, but who usually didn't mind sitting around and helping some young (back then) white-boy who actually knew their music, wanted to learn it and went through alot of trouble to find them. So I met quite a few and was lucky most of them would take the time to show me a few things. Some I only spent a few hours with, some a week or so, some much longer. (The man in my sig-picture I studied with over more than twenty-five years.) Some guys like Mississippi Fred McDowell and Son House became more well known again later (years after they were dead) and some are still pretty obscure. But all of them played great blues.

I've played in a few electric bluesbands of my own (none "big-time") and stood up in a lot more, and gigged a lot, but now I'm mostly into acoustic solo stuff. A small gig once in awhile, just guitar, sometimes adding rack-harmonica. I'll do a studio-track for someone occasionally. Mostly doing old pre-war blues, maybe with an occasional old-time country tune or even folk or acoustic rock or old-jazz if somebody requests it.

Anyway, there are lots of kinds of blues. Any kind in particular you looking for? (Like old-school acoustic, more contemp acoustic, or classic-electric, contemp electric, etc, etc) Most of the stuff on that linked page was poorly recorded, mostly just something to help explain a tab or a request in a post or a PM or something. (I have a few more SoundClick pages too that come up searching "dadfad" on SoundClick. More stuff I did mostly, and some tunes by other guys as well I put up for others to hear who asked about it.) If there's anything in there where that style particularly appeals to you I could probably recommend more similar stuff.

[SomeKindOfSound]

man thats really awesome how u got started and everything, i'm really starting to dig the blues. i'am into more new music i guess it's more of what i play. but i have a real appreication for the blues and i actually like listening to it and learning it and i've notice once i learn some blues songs i find myself better at guitar i guess the blues is so much more technical and follows scales and has improvisation and everything i can't explain it and i've notice most music like, dead meadow for example are based off of blues stuff all rock is, learn where u come from to know where ur going type of thing. i'am thinking about swearing off newer music for a while and strictly playing the blues for a while, i guess im looking to learn classic-electric, contemp electric the only blues i really know is like the allaman brothers
muddy waters, albert king, b.b.king and chuck berry thats really it. i'm into the beatles and the velvet underground bands like that i know they have{{{{ some}}} blues influences. That stuff on your page was awesome i'm really open to learn any type of blues as long as theres tabs for it i'm no good at transcribing songs so if u know any really awesome blues artist let me know some thanks dude