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#1 User is offline   Matt1911 Icon

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 08:56 AM

Come on now, nobody gigs out on straight volume,so which do you use,and which do you prefer?
Do you use a dedicated acoustic amp/pre-amp? Which brand?
What type/brand mike do you prefer? Are condenser mikes to fragile for the riggers of roadies?
Do you play with a band or solo,and does that affect you'r choice?
If money was no problem,and you had unlimited funds,what would you'r dream sound reenforcement rigg consist of?
Since for most of us,money IS a problem,whats the cheapest way to get GOOD sound reenforcement?
Any effects used? What type and brand do you prefer?
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Matt1911 @ Feb 22 2004, 01:56 PM)
Come on now, nobody gigs out on straight volume,so which do you use,and which do you prefer?
Do you use a dedicated acoustic amp/pre-amp? Which brand?
What type/brand mike do you prefer? Are condenser mikes to fragile for the riggers of roadies?
Do you play with a band or solo,and does that affect you'r choice?
If money was no problem,and you had unlimited funds,what would you'r dream sound reenforcement rigg consist of?
Since for most of us,money IS a problem,whats the cheapest way to get GOOD sound reenforcement?
Any effects used? What type and brand do you prefer?
Matt

Unfortunetly, I've no experience with live situations. The way I see it, if your going to be gigging a lot, and your looking to take in a bit of money by doing so buy an acoustic electric. If you have a really good acoustic guitar (Martin, Gibson, Taylor...) you might be better off just mic'ing the instrument, since drilling a hole in the side of a guitar can SOMETIMES detract from the sound. If it's a factory installed pickup, it's unlikely to. A mic'd guitar as opposed to a guitar with a pickup - they are two different sounds really. Christy Moore gets an amazing sound out of a Mic'd guitar.

Effects wise, the best effect for an acoustic is reverb. Obviously, you can use any effect. Wah, to give yourself a treble boost... Chorus or flanger if you wanted... Phaser... Hell, even distortion (As in "The Man Who Sold The World" on nirvana's unplugged in new york album). But the most populer effect to use with an acoustic is reverb. Experiment with various effects, see what works best for you - chances are reverb will be your favourite.

Getting a "Good" sound with an acoustic - something i'm rubbish at unfortunetly. Obviously, I could plug my acoustic electric into a PA, add some reverb, and have a decent sound. But whilst trying to capture the sound of my acoustic through a mic' I'm not really getting anything great. I'm hoping to try with my mini disc as soon as I figure out how to format the disk I have, it's write protected. Hopefully, the mini disc will give me something decent.
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 10:38 AM

I used to mic my acoustic and run it into the PA. Then I got my Takamine Electro/Acoustic which I plug in and send that to the PA.

I play with a woman who does backing vocals and plays the fiddle.
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 04:18 PM

I have done one live show...or one song, and then I used a mic infront of my old acoustic.
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 04:57 PM

i mike it, don't have an acoustic-electric, i can't actually, my case won't allow for the taylor pre-amp. they built the guitar left handed but not the case.... makes you wonder.... dry.gif
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 05:01 PM

Plugged in; brought a pickup for my acoustic
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE (randomorwhat @ Feb 22 2004, 10:01 PM)
Plugged in; brought a pickup for my acoustic

Ah, you got one in the end? How is it?
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 08:04 AM

I use a mic if at all possible (although it isn't always). I didn't spend the kind of money I've spent on acoustic guitars so they would sound the same as any decent acoustic using the same $150 electronics set-up.
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (evileye @ Feb 22 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (randomorwhat @ Feb 22 2004, 10:01 PM)
Plugged in; brought a pickup for my acoustic

Ah, you got one in the end? How is it?

Ah, I'm afraid to say I've not got it yet. I was pre-empting my buy, which didn't work out sad.gif
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 12:37 PM

Mic 'em up. The classic way to do it is with a pair of Shure mics on a stand (or two), the SM58 up top for vocals, the SM57 down below at guitarlevel. These are the mics I'd usually recommend by the way, they're good quality but aren't fantastically expensive, easy to see why they're kind of the industry standard. It's potentially a bit more difficult to sound tech than if the bloke is just plugging in a lead in, but it's worth it.
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 12:39 PM

Oh yeah, if they're your mics then make sure you look after them well. It's perhaps worth attatching them to the stand yourself just before you go on and plug into the leads that go to the house PA, then taking them with you as you go off stage, especially if there's other acts on. Mics are the kind of thing that other bands and/or soundtechs run away with (often the soundtechs do it accidentally mind, given that they've got about twenty mics on stage it's easy to swipe other people's by accident in the pack-down). I've lost a fair few mics and had a few swapped 'by accident' over the years......... however, marking yours out helps discourage that. Oh yeah, keep them in a nice padded case, when you're not using them, mics are the kind of things that get left on tables/cabs/speakers and then roll or shake off and clatter onto the floor.
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 05:10 PM

QUOTE (halfmoonbay @ Feb 23 2004, 11:37 AM)
Mic 'em up. The classic way to do it is with a pair of Shure mics on a stand (or two), the SM58 up top for vocals, the SM57 down below at guitarlevel. These are the mics I'd usually recommend by the way, they're good quality but aren't fantastically expensive, easy to see why they're kind of the industry standard. It's potentially a bit more difficult to sound tech than if the bloke is just plugging in a lead in, but it's worth it.

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (dadfad @ Feb 23 2004, 02:04 PM)
I use a mic if at all possible (although it isn't always). I didn't spend the kind of money I've spent on acoustic guitars so they would sound the same as any decent acoustic using the same $150 electronics set-up.

Aye, that's the reason I regret having bought an electro-acoustic guitar (my yamaha) instead of a normal acoustic. The pre-amp's all fine and dandy, but it's a bit "flat", characterless.

Maybe it's time for another acoustic.

...if I ever stop living on a student budget, that is.
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 08:09 PM

QUOTE (eulogy @ Feb 23 2004, 04:27 PM)
QUOTE (dadfad @ Feb 23 2004, 02:04 PM)
I use a mic if at all possible (although it isn't always). I didn't spend the kind of money I've spent on acoustic guitars so they would sound the same as any decent acoustic using the same $150 electronics set-up.

Aye, that's the reason I regret having bought an electro-acoustic guitar (my yamaha) instead of a normal acoustic. The pre-amp's all fine and dandy, but it's a bit "flat", characterless.

Maybe it's time for another acoustic.

...if I ever stop living on a student budget, that is.

what the hell is a shredder like you doing in acoustic Q&A laugh.gif

just kidding.
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Posted 23 February 2004 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE (pimp_vince @ Feb 23 2004, 08:09 PM)
QUOTE (eulogy @ Feb 23 2004, 04:27 PM)
QUOTE (dadfad @ Feb 23 2004, 02:04 PM)
I use a mic if at all possible (although it isn't always). I didn't spend the kind of money I've spent on acoustic guitars so they would sound the same as any decent acoustic using the same $150 electronics set-up.

Aye, that's the reason I regret having bought an electro-acoustic guitar (my yamaha) instead of a normal acoustic. The pre-amp's all fine and dandy, but it's a bit "flat", characterless.

Maybe it's time for another acoustic.

...if I ever stop living on a student budget, that is.

what the hell is a shredder like you doing in acoustic Q&A laugh.gif

just kidding.

Hahahahah....

Oh yea and about the question ive had 3 shows. 2 were ive used a mic for my acoustic, one were ive plugged in. The one were i plugged in i got nasty feedback.
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Posted 24 February 2004 - 12:09 PM

Would having a Piezo pick-up on a electro/acoustic make a diff?

If so, is a big diff. or not?

Honestly, I have one, but not really sure it makes a difference or not.

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (eulogy @ Feb 23 2004, 10:27 PM)
Maybe it's time for another acoustic.

...if I ever stop living on a student budget, that is.

unfortunatley, i know what your talking about. unsure.gif
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Posted 25 February 2004 - 06:37 PM

plug in is the way for me. I had a mike and no control over the sound. I instaled a EMG pickup with a preamp bilt in the jack. I didn't relly gain much but i haven't loset anything at all as an acoustic, it sounds as good sa ever. I like it.
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Posted 25 February 2004 - 08:04 PM

i dont play live but my teacher does a lot of acoustic gigs and he said he always uses it plugged in cause a mic will pick up everything!!!!
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Posted 25 February 2004 - 09:44 PM

HMB's suggestion is a good one. However if you move around a lot that wouldn't work.

I've always had problems with feedback in a live setting using my acoustic electric. Also acoustic electrics eat batteries like they are going out of style. If the battery dies your acoustic will sound really brittle. With the Piezo pick up inside an acoustic electric it's still very hard to get it to sound warm, fat and smooth. When I was gigging with my acoustic electric I ran it through a multi effects pedal, which helped. I was able to pull it off but still preventing feedback was a problem and I spent way too much $$$'s on batteries. The multi effects pedal acted as a preamp and compressor.

Now I use an electric guitar at gigs. I have a Podxt so I created an acoustic simulator effect, which sounds pretty damn close to a real mike acoustic. It actually sounds better than my acoustic electric. Still not as good as miking a regular acoustic but it does the job nicely.

If I were to upgrade to a better acoustic sound for on stage I'd buy a Line6 Variax acoustic: http://www.sweetwate...il/VariaxAc700/

It sounds awesome (check out the video) but it's kind of pricey.
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