[gog427]

i got give them credit...

[evileye]

Only a metal head.


It's been done before (the topic) allthough at the time the sound clips werent available. I laughed at the video, I dont think the sound clips are going to be much better. I mean no matter how you look at it - it's really quite a terrible invention. All it is is an onboard EQ that changes at the flick of a switch. It's like having a pickup with an EQ but only with a presets function, thats all it seems like to me.

[evileye]

And even listening to the sound clips (which are usually studio produced to the max' to give the guitar a good sound) i'm not in the slightest impressed! That's bad...!

[gog427]

still kool

[pimp_vince]

why don't you just buy a capo and a tuner... costs a lot less than a guitar that's likely to fail on you. hell go crazy and buy the 25$ capos...

it's terrible for practice too, think about it... while it's "tuned" to DADGAD, you're still playing in standard, hence my seeing it as ######, as very few proffesionals will use it, and kids couldn't use it for practice.

[gog427]

jesus ...i give up you people are way to anal.. no one says hey thats kinda neat its not correct form and all but technology and guitar becoming one kinda kool

[badasstommyboy]

i think it sounds OK to be honest.

Most of all its practicle. All the different sounds in one guitar. Ok the sounds may not be as clean or as good quality as the real thing, but if you're doing a gig and need a load of differet things, then this will be a great help.

I'm very tempted to get one actually.

[evileye]

i think it sounds OK to be honest.

Most of all its practicle. All the different sounds in one guitar. Ok the sounds may not be as clean or as good quality as the real thing, but if you're doing a gig and need a load of differet things, then this will be a great help.

I'm very tempted to get one actually.

Take a look at the price tag.

Seriously, I can see plenty of good in the Variax, but this thing is a joke. It's nowhere NEAR the quality of any of the acoustic gutiars they have modeled, it's laughable. They'v made quite a big cockup with this one, line six have. It still needs a LOT of work. I wouldnt waste my money. I mean it's not going to last as it is anyway, they will have to bring out another model - that's hardly going to stand up in the market (allthough chriest, you'd never know). Buy a midi guitar or something. Maybe a boss AC-2. Seems to work a lot better than that thing. I mean i'd love to have one, I love gimmicks (hey I have a modelling amp). But the price tag of it, and the fact that it doesent even work well... I mean it's a great idea, but all in all... A very long way to go! Look at the video...! The guy playing is pure crap! It's like they brought in a metalhead and said "Hey play some acoustic".

I'm done now.

[evileye]

Oh, and as to not sound completely ignorant. I can see how it would be usefull to giging musicians, but... I mean really what ever happened to the acoustic electric and an EQ pedal. It'd do as good a job as this thing would. Actually I'd like to hear what shane thinks of this. Shane?

(I think I know what's coming! Does it get the "pish" approval?)

[evileye]

It's got that whole "Luthier got excited whilst cutting the cutaway" look going on too.

[nnyrad]

The detuning functions are unbelievably impressive. To that nitwit who said you would still be playing in standard - no, the fingerings would be the same as the selected tuning.

I am less impressed with the actual modelling but it is still a tempting buy. The soundfiles at times sound like a cheap midi keyboard (especially that Japanese thingy).

Of course I would need to actually play the thing through a decent acoustic amp first before making any quick judgements.

EDIT - just start listening to Chet Atkins, now that is a real acoustic guitar sound!

This post has been edited by nnyrad: 10 April 2004 - 08:57 AM

[evileye]

The detuning functions are unbelievably impressive. To that nitwit who said you would still be playing in standard - no, the fingerings would be the same as the selected tuning.

That nitwit said you would be still playing in standard whilst practising which would be useless. And "That nitwit" was right. The guitar needs to be amplified to be of ANY use. Without an amp it's just a cheap korean electro acoustic. And I dont know anybody who practises acoustic through an amp. Nitwit?

[nnyrad]

The detuning functions are unbelievably impressive. To that nitwit who said you would still be playing in standard - no, the fingerings would be the same as the selected tuning.

That nitwit said you would be still playing in standard whilst practising which would be useless. And "That nitwit" was right. The guitar needs to be amplified to be of ANY use. Without an amp it's just a cheap korean electro acoustic. And I dont know anybody who practises acoustic through an amp. Nitwit?

No. It would sound nothing like a cheap korean guitar unplugged.

We are not talking an acoustic guitar here, it only looks like an acoustic. You could always use headphones like with Yamaha silent guitar or as with an electric guitar when wanting silent practice.

[evileye]

The detuning functions are unbelievably impressive. To that nitwit who said you would still be playing in standard - no, the fingerings would be the same as the selected tuning.

That nitwit said you would be still playing in standard whilst practising which would be useless. And "That nitwit" was right. The guitar needs to be amplified to be of ANY use. Without an amp it's just a cheap korean electro acoustic. And I dont know anybody who practises acoustic through an amp. Nitwit?

No. It would sound nothing like a cheap korean guitar unplugged.

We are not talking an acoustic guitar here, it only looks like an acoustic. You could always use headphones like with Yamaha silent guitar or as with an electric guitar when wanting silent practice.

But does that not defeat the purpose?

Oh, and how would it not sound like a cheap korean guitar unplugged? It's a cheap korean guitar with a few circuits inside. Its going to sound like a cheap korean guitar unless you have your headphones. And plus, considering it takes six AA batteries your going to be fairly ######ed if it runs out and you want to play some guitar. It completely defeats the purpose no matter what angle you look at it from.

[nnyrad]

The detuning functions are unbelievably impressive. To that nitwit who said you would still be playing in standard - no, the fingerings would be the same as the selected tuning.

That nitwit said you would be still playing in standard whilst practising which would be useless. And "That nitwit" was right. The guitar needs to be amplified to be of ANY use. Without an amp it's just a cheap korean electro acoustic. And I dont know anybody who practises acoustic through an amp. Nitwit?

No. It would sound nothing like a cheap korean guitar unplugged.

We are not talking aboout an acoustic guitar here, it only looks like an acoustic. You could always use headphones like with Yamaha silent guitar or as with an electric guitar when wanting silent practice.

But does that not defeat the purpose?

Oh, and how would it not sound like a cheap korean guitar unplugged? It's a cheap korean guitar with a few circuits inside. Its going to sound like a cheap korean guitar unless you have your headphones. And plus, considering it takes six AA batteries your going to be fairly ######ed if it runs out and you want to play some guitar. It completely defeats the purpose no matter what angle you look at it from.

It won't sound like a cheap korean acoustic because it isn't an acoustic guitar. Unplugged it will sound like a thinline hollow body guitar with more attack due to the bronze strings.

EDIT - 6 AA batteries sounds a bit excessive. I'll withhold any judgement until I actually play the thing. So far I am not impressed (the detuning feature withstanding).

This post has been edited by nnyrad: 10 April 2004 - 10:48 AM

[evileye]

I agree, yes. I'm not impressed but to properly judge i'd like to play one.

And the thinline guitar thing? That's true too, you have a point - but all the same it's not very practical for some kid who wants to practise in his room... Takes out the "Campfire" element of it. Camp fire wood, maybe...

[nnyrad]

I agree, yes. I'm not impressed but to properly judge i'd like to play one.

And the thinline guitar thing? That's true too, you have a point - but all the same it's not very practical for some kid who wants to practise in his room... Takes out the "Campfire" element of it. Camp fire wood, maybe...

[will7920]

Evileye you need to calm down buddy, that looks like a great guitar for an acoustic player who plays with a band. If you put a soundhole cover in the soundhole, when it is in detuned mode you won't hear the regular tuning, and it's not just an acoustic with an EQ, because it has all those other cool effects that you need pedals for to make. I am really into electronics so I love the Variax models, I don't have any, but would love to try one, and if they are as good as they seem I would drop $2,000 to get one if it can do all that with the push of a button, and sound that good straight into a PA. The less stuff I gotta lag around the better, if that can replace an effects rack and a pre-amp, I am all for it.

[evileye]

Evileye you need to calm down buddy, that looks like a great guitar for an acoustic player who plays with a band.  If you put a soundhole cover in the soundhole, when it is in detuned mode you won't hear the regular tuning, and it's not just an acoustic with an EQ, because it has all those other cool effects that you need pedals for to make.  I am really into electronics so I love the Variax models, I don't have any, but would love to try one, and if they are as good as they seem I would drop $2,000 to get one if it can do all that with the push of a button, and sound that good straight into a PA.  The less stuff I gotta lag around the better, if that can replace an effects rack and a pre-amp, I am all for it.

Oh whisht child. I'm bit into electronics, I own a modelling amp by line six and I like the variax. But this thing is a joke, it's complete rubbish! I mean it's completely inaccurate, and the effects? Well go out and buy a zoom 606. I've allready mentioned all the points above, there is really no more to be said.

Modelling really should stay away from acoustic guitars, at least until they get it right.