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Question about a tuning... AMON AMARTHB E A D F# B


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#1 turbulence13

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:13 AM

Okay, now I'm somewhat new to alt. tunings. But last I knew, F# was Gflat right? So then how is BEADF#B possible? I'm trying to play Amon Amarth and they are supposedly in BEADF#B tho I can play it in drop b just fine. Help me?

#2 dc197

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:42 AM

I don't understand what you are asking.

Are you asking if F# is Gb? Well, they have the same pitch, yes.

Are you asking how to tune to BEADF#B? See the Tunings sticky for some advice.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:50 AM

I'm asking how it's possible to have an F# in your tuning when F# is really Gflat. When I use my tuner and try to get F# it goes from F to Gflat and skips F#. So do I just tune it as if it was Gflat?

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:50 AM

If you want to go to that tune down 2 1/2 steps.

But if you can play it fine out of drop B, then just play out of that.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:51 AM

QUOTE (turbulence13 @ Feb 23 2005, 12:50 PM)
I'm asking how it's possible to have an F# in your tuning when F# is really Gflat. When I use my tuner and try to get F# it goes from F to Gflat and skips F#. So do I just tune it as if it was Gflat?



F# and Gb are the same note.

#6 Archaikz

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:54 AM

F# = Gb
Gb = F#

Its a matter of preference. If your tuner says Gb then its Gb. Or if you cant look at it like that say F#. If your tuner says F# then its F#. Or you can look at it like Gb. same thing with G# and Ab. And Eb and D#. And C# and Db and so on. Its a matter of preference. I tend to say G# but i also tend to say Eb. its what your used to. Its good to know what there equivalent is incase you run across it in music.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:57 AM

Kinda goes the same thing for F and C. You can confuse a few people by saying E# or B#, or Cb or Fb.

It depends on what you want to call it. Most tuners read a note as flat, not sharp. I prefer to use sharp. Even with Eb tuning, I call it D# just to confuse people.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:15 AM

yea but Cb and Fb dont exist.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE (Archaikz @ Feb 23 2005, 01:15 PM)
yea but Cb and Fb dont exist.


Why don't Cb and Fb exist? I get it now. But your contradicting yourself by saying that they're the same then saying that there is no Cb and Fb. Wouldn't Cb=B# and B#=Cb? Or Fb=E# and E#=Fb?

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 11:42 AM

BTW, you'll need heavy strings for that low tuning..

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 01:32 PM

QUOTE (turbulence13 @ Feb 23 2005, 01:45 PM)
QUOTE (Archaikz @ Feb 23 2005, 01:15 PM)
yea but Cb and Fb dont exist.


Why don't Cb and Fb exist? I get it now. But your contradicting yourself by saying that they're the same then saying that there is no Cb and Fb. Wouldn't Cb=B# and B#=Cb? Or Fb=E# and E#=Fb?



Cb is B(there is only a half step between them) same with Fb...Fb is E.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Archaikz @ Feb 23 2005, 01:15 PM)
yea but Cb and Fb dont exist.


Cb=B, Fb=E. You can just screw with someone's head by saying that. It's unusual, rather very unusual to see E as Fb, F as E#, C as B# or Cb as B, but I've seen them used like that in school. Shows what kind of funding we get.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (billy16 @ Feb 23 2005, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE (Archaikz @ Feb 23 2005, 01:15 PM)
yea but Cb and Fb dont exist.


Cb=B, Fb=E. You can just screw with someone's head by saying that. It's unusual, rather very unusual to see E as Fb, F as E#, C as B# or Cb as B, but I've seen them used like that in school. Shows what kind of funding we get.


It's sometimes musically correct to say Fb, E#, B#, or Cb. There was a topic about this a week or so ago.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ Feb 24 2005, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE (billy16 @ Feb 23 2005, 05:23 PM)
QUOTE (Archaikz @ Feb 23 2005, 01:15 PM)
yea but Cb and Fb dont exist.


Cb=B, Fb=E. You can just screw with someone's head by saying that. It's unusual, rather very unusual to see E as Fb, F as E#, C as B# or Cb as B, but I've seen them used like that in school. Shows what kind of funding we get.


It's sometimes musically correct to say Fb, E#, B#, or Cb. There was a topic about this a week or so ago.


Yea. Say you're playing in Gb Major, in order for every letter to be used in the scale it would have to be written Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F Gb. Or F# Major, the same key, F# G# A# B C# D# E# F#.

It does happen in music. Just not very often.


To the original poster, you understand the musical alphabet don't you? There are twelve notes

A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# A

Any of the sharp notes may be written differently, depending on the song. So A# may be written as Bb, F# may be written as Gb. They are enharmonic, which means they are the same note but with different names.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:09 PM

mojomaniac: the twelve-note scale is a western scale. other cultures use different scales with quarter tones and such. wink.gif

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 10:20 PM

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 03:31 AM

QUOTE (glassprisoner0001 @ Feb 24 2005, 03:20 AM)
Invest in a 7 string my friend.

Just what I was thinking laugh.gif

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 04:00 AM

QUOTE (dogpoo @ Feb 24 2005, 06:09 AM)
mojomaniac: the twelve-note scale is a western scale. other cultures use different scales with quarter tones and such. wink.gif


Yes, for example....
The original Indian scale is divided into 22 notes, rather than 11 (12 less the upper tonic).

Instead of A, B, C, etc, the notes have full names and these are called (in the key of Sa=C):

1. Tivra = Sa (C in western scale)
2. Kumodvati
3. Manda
4. Chhandovati
5. Dayavati = Re (D)
6. Ranjani
7. Raktika = Ga (E)
8. Raudari
9. Krodhi
10. Vijrika = Ma (F)
11. Parsarini
12. Preeti
13. Marjini
14. Ksbiti = Pa (G)
15. Rakta
16. Sandeepini
17. Alapine
18. Madanti = Dha (A)
19. Rohini
20. Ramya
21. Ugra
22. Nee (B )



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Edited by dc197, 24 February 2005 - 04:01 AM.




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