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#21 thehundredthone

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 08:53 AM

Well according to purists all these OS's and interfaces are the past, so there. laugh.gif
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Posted 14 February 2007 - 01:22 PM

QUOTE (Around @ Feb 13 2007, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Macs are the future. However, I think you can use the OS X on a PC too. The compatibility of a UNIX-based OS depends on your mobo.

No, it depends on your CPU. All the current CPU's on the market are X86 architecture and are 32 or 64 bit systems. OS X is 32 bit I believe but it is programmed to run on Intel chips generally but you can run it on an AMD machine so long as its an Athlon based processor (Sempron and Duron's wont work) since its x86

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE (badasstommyboy @ Feb 6 2007, 06:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok well it's coming up to new computer time.

I can Either spend about 800 to 900 and get a really good dual core pc, with 2 gb of ram, 320GB HDD, wireless, TV Card, dual output graphics card that does everything i want.

or spend 1400 to 1500 getting a quad core intel xeon PowerMac with 160GB HDD and 1GB of Ram - no tv card, no built in wireless - but looks really sexy

Now - Lets Here your arguments.




Reasons for me getting a Mac
- Mac OS X - it's freakishly cool and looks amazing
- Reliability - Macs tend to not break
- Fewer Viruses
- While being a lower spec, Macs tend to be more efficient
- I don't really wanna use up 15GB of HDD space on Windows Vista


Reasons for me Getting a PC
- It's a hell of a lot cheaper then a Mac
- In my years of having a PC, I've never actually had a really bad virus (touch wood) so viruses aren't a worry
- I know exactly how to fix pretty much anything on a pc
- I can get a much higher spec for my money
- I can get the lovely Media Centre remote control bundled with vista so I can work my comp from my bed - which is a really good factor for me as I watch films in bed all the time.




So lets have a see what you all think.



Take the PC anyday.

I've seen more macs die than PC's in my experience, and the PC's that die are due to people skimping on the power supply which is the most important part of the computer.

When I get some time I'll report back with an awsome rig around that price bracket.
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE (AcousticSmash @ Feb 14 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Around @ Feb 13 2007, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Macs are the future. However, I think you can use the OS X on a PC too. The compatibility of a UNIX-based OS depends on your mobo.

No, it depends on your CPU. All the current CPU's on the market are X86 architecture and are 32 or 64 bit systems. OS X is 32 bit I believe but it is programmed to run on Intel chips generally but you can run it on an AMD machine so long as its an Athlon based processor (Sempron and Duron's wont work) since its x86


I have an Intel Core 2 DU0 on a P965 Intel Chipset and no Linux distro can run on my system. As a result, the propability of OS X running is rather slim.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:45 PM

Thats because you arent searching for the right distributions. I was able to install PCLinuxOS on my AMD Turion Mobile based laptop and it worked, and its an x86 CPU and thats what PCLinux uses. I also know for a fact that it will install on Intel Core 2 Duo systems because someone in my class managed to install it on his laptop.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Around @ Feb 16 2007, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have an Intel Core 2 DU0 on a P965 Intel Chipset and no Linux distro can run on my system. As a result, the propability of OS X running is rather slim.


That fallacy of that statement is why Linux is awesome!
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Posted 23 February 2007 - 06:15 AM

QUOTE (thehundredthone @ Feb 19 2007, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Around @ Feb 16 2007, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have an Intel Core 2 DU0 on a P965 Intel Chipset and no Linux distro can run on my system. As a result, the propability of OS X running is rather slim.


That fallacy of that statement is why Linux is awesome!


Oh certainly. Here's what I've tried installing so far:

Suse Pro 10.1 32-bit
Suse Pro 10.1 64-bit
Ubuntu 6.0 32-bit
Ubuntu 6.0 64-bit
An older Suse 32-bit distro, can't remember which one.
Mandriva Powerpack 2007

The problems range from no disk drive detected to inability to load the kernel. And, frankly, I'm tired.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 09:09 AM

^ I doubt that has anything to do with your processor. Linux has supported Core 2 Duo since 2.6.17 I think.

Go through this https://wiki.ubuntu....e_2_Duo_Support cheers.gif

Linux doesn't end at Mandrake Suse Ubuntu and Fedora. happyno.gif
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Posted 23 February 2007 - 02:46 PM

You should just try PCLinuxOS then, go download it, its only like 700 MB's or so, shouldnt take long on a decent connection.

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (sixgunsound @ Feb 9 2007, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mac. they are clearly more cutting edge of technology, user friendly, and creative than a PC. even though they arent where PCs are right now, by investing in a mac you're helping to fund the company that will soon build a way better computer. think how far behind macs were a decade ago. give them more momentum by investing in a mac.


so we should invest in something we dont want because were helping to fund 'the future' of computers?????


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Posted 26 February 2007 - 12:35 AM

QUOTE (rock magician @ Feb 26 2007, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so we should invest in something we dont want because were helping to fund 'the future' of computers?????


Invest in terrorism for a better world! rolleyes.gif

It's a darn good argument you have there. The money we spend for macs doesn't really go towards the future of computers. That's a different thing all together. Like I said before, it isn't even the future of GUIs. happyno.gif
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 02:58 AM

I tend to see macs as more for specialist software setups like pro tools. More for doing buisness with your software (which can be expensive). Of course you can always get good software for PCs. Vista isn't that bad - it works abit like a mac. I found its good for when you really need to get your work done (unlike XP from my expiriences), whilst still being enjoyable for everyday use (got Media Center built right into Home Premium)

Go for PC. Easier upgrades, more compatibility, suits lifestyle better, more knowledgable support, dosen't put on those bs commercials about why macs are better than PCs (everything is fake and there are obvious loop-holes for whatever the PC or mac characters say) The wow starts now makes a lot more sense.
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 06:05 AM

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 09:08 AM

A note about disc space. For $400 - $500 you can get a terabyte of disc space. More than almost anyone would need. Who cares about 15 gigs? I have 20 or so dual layer DVDs (8.5 GIG) stored on one of my drives.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 09:38 AM

Mac OS is so much more stable then Windows is, plus a new version of the Mac OS series comes out every few years or so, or they are updated substantially at one time to fix any flaws in the original version. The fact is that now Apple is getting support from Intel for CPU's which in turn should cut back the price in the future. Mac's may be more expensive but compared to PC's, their quality with hardware is so much more efficient with the operating system and their components dont crap out easily. Also Mac's heat dissipation is so much better with both their desktops and laptops compared to almost all Windows based machines, and thats because they dont use over the top heat building technology in their computers. You cant find a Windows machine smaller then a Mac Mini thats for freaking sure.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 11:12 PM

Where do you pull these arguments from? They are not in context.

QUOTE (AcousticSmash @ Feb 26 2007, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mac OS is so much more stable then Windows is, plus a new version of the Mac OS series comes out every few years or so, or they are updated substantially at one time to fix any flaws in the original version.


My Windows installation hasn't crashed on me since day 1. Mac OS can also crash, it's just that they keep their hardware limited so that chances of failure are less. If you were to stick with the known brands for your PC hardware you would be quite safe. And you don't see Mac users mucking around in the registry trying to get their shareware/pirated software to work.

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The fact is that now Apple is getting support from Intel for CPU's which in turn should cut back the price in the future. Mac's may be more expensive but compared to PC's, their quality with hardware is so much more efficient with the operating system and their components dont crap out easily. Also Mac's heat dissipation is so much better with both their desktops and laptops compared to almost all Windows based machines, and thats because they dont use over the top heat building technology in their computers.


That's because Apple supplies the entire system+most hardware (except specialised requirements). Obviously if you buy Microsoft hardware you would find the same result. Cheap components will always crap out. It's a question of initial investment vs instalments. Unfortunately whenever Mac upgrades hardware they usually leave the older users behind. You've gotta buy the new stuff to stay with the software. If Microsoft were to do that, however, there would be another million anti-trust lawsuits.

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You cant find a Windows machine smaller then a Mac Mini thats for freaking sure.


http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 01:56 AM

I tried installing some demo software onto a mac at school for some other people in my class to use to try to promote the school to buy the full version, and being a mac, it didn't know what program to use to open an executable setup program dry.gif
So, again, I see macs as being used for specific purposes with software suite, however PC suits the everyday users more (whilst still having powerful software)
I have discovered a very important reason why PCs Crash: Is the user account you use a power user or an administrator? I used to make myself an administrator and I kept having to re-load the OS and all the programs from sctratch because my computer kept on screwing up (even though I had virus protection) I made my account a limited user, and nothing has gone wrong since. The only time I use an account with administrative privelleges is if I need to install some larger software or perform maintennance such as defrag and stuff like that.
I am pleased with the fact that you can do most administrative tasks under a normal account in Vista (it asks for an administrator password) which saves me switching accounts so often (only the one-off I have to switch). Most administrative tasks you run, it asks permission for the program to contiue so you know whats going on. (Which is probably the fault in XP, it just did it instead - some of the stuff could have been the work of a virus).
If you just want to enjoy your computing expirience and use everday programs, the PC should do enable you to be more productive.

And if the 'WOW' started five years ago, how come we're just hearing about it now?
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 02:09 AM



this is a shuttle PC - probably the same size as the mac mini

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 02:22 AM

QUOTE (badasstommyboy @ Feb 27 2007, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


this is a shuttle PC - probably the same size as the mac mini



Is the size really that important? It just sometimes limits you if you need to upgrade to say - a bigger graphics card, or if you want to add a TV card or something.

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 05:08 AM

I'm on a similar page cheers.gif

QUOTE (builtmyownbass @ Feb 27 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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And if the 'WOW' started five years ago, how come we're just hearing about it now?


Regarding the WOW, it's a joke smile.gif It's to do with Microsoft continually chasing Apple's "innovations" (arguable, eh?)

QUOTE (builtmyownbass @ Feb 27 2007, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is the size really that important? It just sometimes limits you if you need to upgrade to say - a bigger graphics card, or if you want to add a TV card or something.


A place for everything, and everything in its place.

There are specific situations where size does matter. Sometimes it's practical for a living room music station/home theater; sometimes it's used as part of another device, etc. These are things you don't casually upgrade.

There is a big different between the though process of a casual user - "hey this is new, let's get it!" and the mission critical user - "hey, my current software/hardware is stable, do I really need to upgrade to accommodate this new piece?"
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