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#21 gravity

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 02:40 AM

And to add................

Actually for all intents and purposes my first suggestion isn't without merit. Even people like Bowie have experimented with random words or phrases that sound by themselves interesting and cobbled them together into structured formats

While i don't agree with this method any experimentation with language is good in order to build up ones confidence and understanding.
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#22 Orchestrazia Ardwick

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 02:54 AM

QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a little gem. Surely the collective whining of your posts in discussion are a fairly good starting point.

Note my comment about my lyrics tipping over into self-indulgence sleep.gif

But yeah, some good advice in this thread. Thanks peeps.

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#23 Mantrasolo

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 04:35 AM

QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my opinion getting over that hurdle and being able to display that kind of honesty can be a huge leap forward for anyones songwriting. But that all comes from understanding why you are writing.


Very well put, your opinions were. This I totally agree with, and in the end, understanding why can help you focus on where to take the song itself, instead of just rambling on and wonder where it's gonna go.

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#24 w00dy

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People who just write bollocks because they want to be famous don't ever have to wrestle with this issue.

if you just want to be famous, why bother writing the lyrics (or music for that matter) at all. just be young and lythe and a prostitute

Edited by w00dy, 15 May 2009 - 09:04 AM.

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#25 Will_Wood

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:09 AM

Also, to separate ourselves from the actual WORDS of the lyrics, have you thought of melody?

Often, the way I write a song, I sing a wordless melody over a chord progression or riff and fit words into that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I very rarely write lyrics first and music second. Perhaps try writing a simple chord progression and vocal melody and see where that takes you?
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:17 AM

QUOTE (w00dy @ May 15 2009, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People who just write bollocks because they want to be famous for writing lyrics don't ever have to wrestle with this issue.

if you just want to be famous, why bother writing the lyrics (or music for that matter) at all. just be young and lythe and a prostitute


Happy now fucktard?



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#27 Orchestrazia Ardwick

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (Will_Wood @ May 15 2009, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Often, the way I write a song, I sing a wordless melody over a chord progression or riff and fit words into that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I very rarely write lyrics first and music second. Perhaps try writing a simple chord progression and vocal melody and see where that takes you?

There's one song I've written where I did have a very definite vocal melody worked out, I wrote a full set of lyrics for it but in my attempts to sound verbose and deep I just sounded like someone trying to sound verbose and deep. Maybe I'll give that another try, as a starting point.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:36 AM

Post the lyrics that you think are verbose or deep here and I'll tell if you they terrible or not (in my opinion). The writer's his own harshest critic.
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:39 AM

I concur. Especially knowing how self critical you can be about yourself. I'd wager that you are being overly harsh and that your stuff is fairly decent.
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:46 AM

At least you can spell. That's better than half the naff posted on the internet already.
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 09:55 AM

Yeah. i hate when people spell incorrectly when singing.
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:04 AM

L is for the way you look tonight
V is very very, extra ordinary


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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:34 AM

Hmm, I can't believe this thread actually turned out to be helpful...

I could add as I'm listening to her...You don't have write to somebody elses constructs just because a lot of pop music is written to 3-5 minute bursts doesn't mean thats the way you have to write...Joanna Newsom has many beautiful jems my particular favorite being Sawdust and Diamonds which goes on for about 9 minutes...Not typical of a pop song but this is how she writes and its better for her write in this lenghty way...

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (w00dy @ May 15 2009, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
People who just write bollocks because they want to be famous for writing lyrics don't ever have to wrestle with this issue.

if you just want to be famous, why bother writing the lyrics (or music for that matter) at all. just be young and lythe and a prostitute


Happy now fucktard?

ive been blessed with a joyous outlook in life, im unusually happy laugh.gif , well its better than being a morbo

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#35 w00dy

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (el_burton @ May 15 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...I just sounded like someone trying to sound verbose and deep....

are you verbose and deep? or a bit of a fucktard like myself? play to your strengths and you'll enjoy what your doing more, ergo you'll do more of it and improve

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:14 PM

Wow. The songwriting forum hasn't seen action like this in years. huh.gif
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE (Will_Wood @ May 15 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Post the lyrics that you think are verbose or deep here and I'll tell if you they terrible or not (in my opinion). The writer's his own harshest critic.

Well that particular set of lyrics is long gone, and I can't remember any of them specifically. I'll have another go sometime and report back.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 01:36 PM

The golden rule of songwriting.

NEVER EVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY.

Its all good. It might be a week........it might be a year ........it might be 10 years.........but eventually there will be something you are working on and that cast off will just be perfect for it.
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Posted 15 May 2009 - 02:21 PM

QUOTE (Will_Wood @ May 15 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
L is for the way you look tonight
V is very very, extra ordinary


...oh. Wait. Wrong. smile.gif


There is an O in that song.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 03:23 PM

QUOTE (gravity @ May 15 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The golden rule of songwriting.

NEVER EVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY.

Its all good. It might be a week........it might be a year ........it might be 10 years.........but eventually there will be something you are working on and that cast off will just be perfect for it.

+1 coz its just the best advice (and if you write it down, unlike me you wont just throw entire chorus's away coz you cant prove youve not used them before without listening to your entire back catalouge)

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