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#21 Mantrasolo

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Posted 27 October 2009 - 06:42 AM

Looking forward to hearing your stuff. Especially the acoustic guitar loop. I've actually thought about looping acoustic strings myself lately; hearing yours might influence me to get off my butt, heh.
Are you still waiting for that microphone to arrive then?

I've got 5 demos properly recorded with digital drums. I havn't decided which one I should start with to record fully and completely. I've been kinda pushing them off because I've taken a dislike to creating drum patterns. Been hoping to get the live drums set up, but it's been a rocky road. *sigh*

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Posted 27 October 2009 - 07:16 AM


The acoustic loop sounds awesome and thats why I decided to compose something based on it. If you'd have told me I'd write a song this way say two months ago I wouldnt have believed it. Yeah the mic problem should be fixed pretty soon. Definitely. Was about to buy one mic that looked really good but the guy told me to wait because I was about to buy another crappy mic that looks good (its the same shop where my laptop was purchased so he knows exactly what I need) he told me he ordered the best that could work on this laptop and I also need a new battery btw. Need this mic to record my voice on the aforementioned songs (one by Neil Young) and to proceed with my own stuff at last!

Drum patterns are not easy to create I mean the kind of drums that doesnt sound like elevator music so you're lucky to have a real drummer to work with. Looking forward to hear new songs from you.

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Posted 27 October 2009 - 12:46 PM

how do you guys do your drums? i have two ways; work them out on my drum machine and then sample them or the in-daw vsti ones with ableton. i dunno if its just mine but i get a much softer sound from the drum box in comparison to the vsti (prolly me not hitting the pads hard enough) ive yet to use this to its advantage propperly and start with a fasle beat and then bring in the harder one to move the song along, i seem to get bogged down with the firipps/speckley noises and fx - but its an idea worth using at some point i think

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 03:40 AM


I'm new to this so I download them drums and bass loops and make them sound in the key/tempo/pitch thats needed for the song I'm working on. Gotta struggle a little to put them where I want them to be in the track to be honest. Never used a drum machine so far. I've no idea whats this vsti stuff you're talking about w00dy.

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 06:43 AM

a VSTi is just a virtual instrument written to the steinberg standard (aka 'Virtual Studio Technology - instrument'). so confusingly a vst effect and a vsti both fall under the vst umbrella and get called vsts. on a sidenote, the kvraudio.com vst database web site has got loads free and commercial ones, if you decide to go down the vitual studio route (but bewarned coz its so easy to spend shed loads of money on stuff you dont need - personally, i developed an unhealthy intrest in compressors before i really understood what they are for lol).

you know how you struggle to get your loops into your tracks, you should check out ableton live, im only saying that software coz i think it was priminaly aimed at 'dj's' rather than musicians and coz my musiciansmanship can be/is quite poor at times, ive found that elastic audio is a god send (but i think you see it in most daws now). i checked out that beatcraft on youtube you mentioned - looks loads easier to work beats out on than the hardware drum machines ive owned

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#26 Mantrasolo

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 11:41 AM

When I do drums I make them in Fruity Loops. The program isn't bad for making loops, it just get tedious when you wanna make your drums stand out with rolls and fills and such, because you have to go in and manage every hit by mouse clicks.
I wish it was as easy as when you hear it in your head and air drum to it. Stupid technology. =/

w00dy - do you have a digital drum kit w/ pads and everything?
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Posted 28 October 2009 - 02:09 PM

haha i did - my dad ended up gaving them to a neighbours' teenage lad who was getting picked on at school, coz 'they were taking up room in the garage', haha hes funny. but they were the very basic 'ion ed-01' (if i remember rightly) and the lads granddad is in a covers band so too at least they may get used. they were basically an alesis sr16 surrounded by a wee plastic climbing frame lol. my m8 n his wife played the drums (she was quite good i think) and i tried palming them off on him - you guessed it he palmed them right back. the drums are too hard an instrument for me to play, my brains not wired that way, i cant beat match on the decks either - i honestly predict a lack of moon or bonhammism (or little stevie wonderism come to that matter, but hes a case in point) for a good while in tomorrows rock (all those wee children stolen to the age of the digital dj, muhahaha) whilst at the same time beats will become more interesting on average for the listener, but i also say that about pornography. audio porn, all you need is rhythm (well at least till some freaky new shit comes along)
i guess thats where all the pfft noises are coming from, i slap the random fx on in an emulation of someone great maybe (flange kicks arse if you ask me on old school groove, but the bit crushing delays are where my heart is now). my mums neighbour in spain is a drummer (function bands and stuff - its good money if youve a good band i think) lovely bloke, very easy to like - im gonna try and blag a few tips from him and try to apply it to the digital (cant play) drums age

hey how do you do your guitars? me again ive gone virtual (the focusrite guitar vsts (i dont really recommend - just abit lacking) studiodevil (cracking amp sim, i use it alot but ive not bought the full fx deal) and some of the amplitube range (hendrix, metal & fender) which is very good - but i dont like the insistance on running it through a mic emulation (i mean how good do your ears have to be to match that up? never mind trying to do it at a gig, defo should be optional (unless not reading the instructions has lead me down another dark alley)). i recomend them, but be aware they are cpu hogs (fender n hendix esp) too. oldy but goody the flying hagis db amp - i like this too but not used it in a while tbh. hardware i can happily recommend the behringer v-amp pro, honest its got some good sounds - im guessing the line6 stuff is superior - but i just dont get that useability vibe, but theyve some real good ideas and theyre pretty exciting for that i think.
i do have a wee 1w tube amp into a 15" marshall but ive not had the balls to record with that yet. (maybe coz the reamping luxury is too good to give up, maybe coz my ears arnt good enough to know what sound i need before i hear it, hmm 'chicken' me thinks. damn)
i just di n eq (to a generic specific present) my acoustic. i did find (and pay for) a neat eq filter vst specifically for putting the body back into di acoustics (impulse response tech - it sounds pretty good as well) but it really doest like ableton or vista coz it f's my ###### right up and thus is unuseable by me, damn - ive not miked up my acoustic yet (again i think im just lasy, either that or i can't be arsed). rob mcgrail got good at recording acoustics (imo) but ive not seen one of his posts in a while

edit: im drunk and keep thinking of stuff
edit 2: yes 1 watt into 15" lol, dear god you seem to jest with me
edit 3 (the next day): man i was well drunk last night, soz for the mad waffle

Edited by w00dy, 29 October 2009 - 05:05 AM.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 06:13 AM


Aaaaaaaaaah you meant the VST effects w00dy yeah I have these in Mixcraft and I've not had the occasion to use them much yet. Only the EQ which as I said I tend to abuse of because its soooo GOOD.

The VST Effects on Mixcraft:

-Auto filter
-Chorus
-Compressor
-Delay
-EQ
-Flanger
-Master Limiter
-Phaser
-Reverb

Thats a lot of buttons to mess with my sounds laugh.gif

I went to the ableton website and downloaded the Live 7 LE version which is the "Medium" version of Live. I've not yet installed it but I've got a feeling this is gonna be helpful in the future so thanks for the link.

Mantra: my new mic has arrived and its a Philips:


Corded Microphone SBCMD110/00


I tested it on Total Recorder and man it was worth the wait. I can proceed with my projects now.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 07:42 AM

i had a lookie on the philips web site, it looks allright to me dorio. i think the (comparatively) high 100hz low end will help you when your recording your acoustic, ive read some where some people like to roll this off any way on an acoustic to help it sit in the mix better (coz theres not much going on but box & mic stand rumble). what you wanna watch out for on a dymanic mic if you want to record an amp with it, is if they are magnetically shielded (i think thats right, but the old memory could be playing tricks, its been a while since i bought a new mic) coz thats the main difference between a vocal/acoustic and an instrument mic, besides freq response tayloring and polar pattern ~ the shape in which direction it will record sounds from the capsule, cardiod (+supercardiod) pickup just whats in front of them and reject the other stuff - thats why they are popular on stage, where as omni tries to grab everything - yours is omni, so you could suffer sound bleed (if you sing and play at the same time). personally i think this can add to a recorded performance if done well (im thinking of the paino and vocal bit at the begining of fairytale of new york - obviously theyve used two+ mics and the different frequence responses accenuate MacGowan voice lovely - im thinking very subtle overtones) or you could position the one mic inbetween you and your guitar and sing at a similar volume and your (very) basically mixing it as you go

Edited by w00dy, 29 October 2009 - 08:13 AM.

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#30 Mantrasolo

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 07:07 AM

haha w00dy, I luv you when you're drunk and waffling. Why havn't you recorded with your little marshall yet - get to it as I wanna hear it! =)

Me, I used to mic up my little 30w Marshall and record from there, but I got an recording interface last year that I've been using. It's more versitile and it save me from lugging the amp and chords around from one room to the next, setting up mics, etc. etc. A general time saver really.

Glad you got the mic and it's doing it for you, Dorio! =D
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Posted 04 December 2009 - 07:41 AM

Ive noticed a problem since the NXE went live regarding the recently played list and original Xbox games. It seems that the recently played games list will randomly fill up all 4 slots with the generic Xbox logo used for backwards compatible games at seemingly random times even if I havent played an original Xbox game in a while. Has anyone else noticed this issue? Id hate to delete the game files off my HDD to correct this.

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 06:52 PM

One advice among a few I could have for you...

Take into account the way images emphasise the impact of the sound and vice-versa.

You aint mixing sounds, you are mixing impressions.
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Posted 08 May 2010 - 04:30 PM

Link to some pretty useful Mixing Tips,

http://www.box.net/shared/qk7bn4o3zc

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 12:38 AM

Basic mixing and recording principles apply regardless of the sophistication (or lack thereof) of the equipment being used. One microphone in a room recording still works fine, as long as the microphone is located in the right place. The first consideration is the natural soundscape within a room, meaning how sounds are detected, where they are stronger and how they move across the room. Corners are a natural "vacuum cleaner" for sound, and sound waves will collect in corners (this is called absorption) unless baffles (acoustic panels, for example) are strategically placed there to soak up or deflect the sound. This is especially true for low frequencies that basses and kick drums produce.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 09:16 AM

http://www.independe...ain_display.htm <<--- this is an interactive frequency chart thats great for 'eq'ing info. ie what you can expect to happen if you boost or cut the volume on certain frequencies on a number of instruments. i suspect - bass, guitar and voice will be the most usefull but theres other orchestral instruments on there too

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