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#1 dorio

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 09:03 AM

http://edition.cnn.c...-act/index.html

The bill would authorize the U.S. Department of Justice to seek court orders against websites outside U.S. jurisdiction accused of infringing on copyrights, or of enabling or facilitating copyright infringement.

http://en.wikipedia....line_Piracy_Act

Tension is rising....

Update: http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-16655272

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 11:48 AM

I don't know much about it. I've only heard from the against-the-bill side.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:36 AM

As far as I understand all those in favor obviously work or have financial interests in the entertainment business such as cinema music television and games their argument is they lose lots of money each year and that piracy ain't good for the economy. There are those that are in favor mainly for political reasons, and those that'd support it if the current version of the bill was tweaked.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 01:22 AM

Are there those who are in favor of allowing massive scale theft to go unchecked?
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 01:59 AM

Those that don't support this bill are not necessarily pro-piracy, there are very strong Internet-based companies that do not support the bill in it's current form. Seems like they suggested to combat digital piracy without giving license to shut down legitimate websites but the idea was rejected. Looks like the Internet vs the 'real world'.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:53 AM

Are there those who are in favor of allowing massive scale theft to go unchecked?

It's mainly about the way piracy is being countered in the bill. It's a scary bill because it gives private companies the ability to censor the internet, something they should not be allowed to do.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 05:34 AM

entertainment companies should buy into computer hardware companies. they can make their money back on the sales of bigger and bigger harddrives that are needed to store all of the things people are downloading.

everyone is bitches


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:35 AM

entertainment companies should buy into computer hardware companies. they can make their money back on the sales of bigger and bigger harddrives that are needed to store all of the things people are downloading.

In Sweden we have something called "cassette fee" where the music industry forced a small fee to be paid for each blank compact cassette that was sold. This to compensate for the very much legal activity of private copying, the right to make a copy for private use of music that I've bought. It was later expanded to include VCR cassettes, blank CD-R and DVD-Rs. The later is stupid because they are used for so much more than just music. The latest stroke of genius is to include external HDDs and USB drives in the fee so an external HDD will be about €8 more expensive so that the industry can get compensated for an imaginary loss from something that is legal. The scary thing is that they get away with it. The organisation that administrates it is not exactly transparent so we don't really know where the money disappears. What is clear is that neither the music nor the movie industry is in any real financial problems.

So if they are still making billions and at the same time claims to be losing billions due to internet pirates, how much money were they screwing us on before p2p?

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 08:33 AM

entertainment companies should buy into computer hardware companies. they can make their money back on the sales of bigger and bigger harddrives that are needed to store all of the things people are downloading.

In Sweden we have something called "cassette fee" where the music industry forced a small fee to be paid for each blank compact cassette that was sold. This to compensate for the very much legal activity of private copying, the right to make a copy for private use of music that I've bought. It was later expanded to include VCR cassettes, blank CD-R and DVD-Rs. The later is stupid because they are used for so much more than just music. The latest stroke of genius is to include external HDDs and USB drives in the fee so an external HDD will be about €8 more expensive so that the industry can get compensated for an imaginary loss from something that is legal. The scary thing is that they get away with it. The organisation that administrates it is not exactly transparent so we don't really know where the money disappears. What is clear is that neither the music nor the movie industry is in any real financial problems.

So if they are still making billions and at the same time claims to be losing billions due to internet pirates, how much money were they screwing us on before p2p?

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Unfortunately for them, businesses practises like that are becoming less common as the digital distribution method becomes more popular. Give it another 5 to 10 years and everything will be digital media, the number of places where you will be able to buy hard copies of movies or music will dwindle out. Not only is digital distribution cheaper, it's more convenient. If it wasn't for the fact that high def movies took up so much data space, plus bandwidth caps hinder monthly downloads, I'd say that even HD movies will go by the way side. Maybe not for the hardcore film lover, but DVD's evidently will vanish along with CD's in time.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 08:46 AM

entertainment companies should buy into computer hardware companies. they can make their money back on the sales of bigger and bigger harddrives that are needed to store all of the things people are downloading.

Bunch of Swedish facts.
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i had mostly been joking there, but when i thought about it it was more of like buying shares or something and just reaping the benefits of regular sales, not an additional fee tagged onto everything. that's messed up that they can do that. i guess there aren't laws against that sort of thing?

everyone is bitches


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:27 AM

entertainment companies should buy into computer hardware companies. they can make their money back on the sales of bigger and bigger harddrives that are needed to store all of the things people are downloading.

Bunch of Swedish facts.
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i had mostly been joking there, but when i thought about it it was more of like buying shares or something and just reaping the benefits of regular sales, not an additional fee tagged onto everything. that's messed up that they can do that. i guess there aren't laws against that sort of thing?

The messed up thing is that there's a law specifically giving them the right to do that. Although expanding it to hard drives and flash drives is stretching it because the law says they can take a fee for media primarily used for private copies. External hard drives and USB flash drives are not primarily for storing music. I use all my for backup purposes. It's going to court.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:31 PM

Canada has the same laws. We pay much more for blank media than we should.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 06:50 PM

on the upside we don't have the download policing as much as some other places.

everyone is bitches


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 07:52 PM

Not yet.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:30 AM

What is clear is that neither the music nor the movie industry is in any real financial problems.


There is one crisis that's the reason why the industry demands draconian laws like this one. It's true that they don't sell billions of CDs like they used to. Look at the major record companies they're going out of business. However I don't think file sharing is the only cause of this decline. It seems to me that people buy less CDs than before because nowaday's mainstream music is shit.

And since most people who still buy CDs they buy them online the music stores are disappearing rather fast. Small stores were the first to go there are not many left. Now it's the big ones turn they close or they change owners who will sell DVD Blu-Ray videogames but no CDs. CD is dying.

Regarding the film industry millions of people are still going to cinema... at least that's not dead yet.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:36 AM

What is clear is that neither the music nor the movie industry is in any real financial problems.


There is one crisis that's the reason why the industry demands draconian laws like this one. It's true that they don't sell billions of CDs like they used to. Look at the major record companies they're going out of business. However I don't think file sharing is the only cause of this decline. It seems to me that people buy less CDs than before because nowaday's mainstream music is shit.

And since most people who still buy CDs they buy them online the music stores are disappearing rather fast. Small stores were the first to go there are not many left. Now it's the big ones turn they close or they change owners who will sell DVD Blu-Ray videogames but no CDs. CD is dying.

Regarding the film industry millions of people are still going to cinema... at least that's not dead yet.

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at least you posted it as in your oponion and not as a factual statement so nevermind

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:16 AM

I think the way music is sold has changed. Albums used to be a good collection of music. Now everything is single based, and albums are just a shuttle for those one or two big songs. Not to mention the ability to just buy individual songs...

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:17 AM

Now everything is single based, and albums are just a shuttle for those one or two big songs.



Exactly. This is the big problem with CDs... couple of nice songs and all the rest are fillers.

Woggie you're the first north American from the United States of America to post in this thread. I started to wonder why only Canadians and Europeans posted here. And for the mainstream shit yes of course it's my opinion but I'm not the only one who thinks that. In 2011 there was not much for me as far as mainstream is concerned.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:26 AM

We're all terribly embarrassed by SOPA.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:34 AM

I know the feeling Reese: HADOPI is not something to be proud of either!





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