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#41 Herr Rararr

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Posted 15 August 2016 - 09:11 AM

Maybe dial it down a little, perhaps just a gentle knee-capping.

 

You never know, maybe Arsenal will sign him.... ugh.


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Posted 15 August 2016 - 09:49 AM

 

Well-played Liverpool, you do need to do something about Moreno though.

Like put a bullet in his skull?

 

 

Slightly harsh...

 

Moreno is pure Liverpool Football Club, for me. Flashes of brilliance but infuriatingly inconsistent and lets you down. 

 

We had some great attacking play and scored great goals, but my main worry is the lack of a defensive midfielder. The continued underappreciation of Lucas is criminal. Henderson is no holding man and then we had Lallana and Wijnaldum in the middle (both attacking midfielders) - no recognised defensive midfielder on the park. It was a side set up with a "we'll score one more than whatever you score" mentality and I'm not sure my blood pressure can cope with another season like that. 


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Posted 15 August 2016 - 10:00 AM

I agree that Hendo isn't the man for the job. He's not a defensive midfielder. However I think Can has a future at Anfield if he can fulfill the role. He's the obvious choice at the moment.

 

As for Moreno, fuck him. I'm done with him. "Flashes of brilliance" is not good enough. And even those are few and far between. He reminds me of Glen Johnson doing the same at right back. Flanno is out on lone, and our only other option, Joe Gomez (who incidentally is a centre back) had a bright start at left back last season has suffered another setback and he won't be playing any time soon. If we do sell Benteke for 30ish million I think we should be investing it in a quality left back.



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Posted 15 August 2016 - 10:40 AM

Mmm. It looks like Klopp is going to use James Milner there, which worries me. He's no full back. 

 

I'm not sure about Can. He's not as quick as he could be, and has a tendency to drive forward instead of sitting protecting the back four and he makes mistakes too. He's still young though. I'd play him in a double pivot but as a lone anchor in a 4-3-3 with two central players having the license to get forward, I think Lucas is the only natural player we have for that. 

 

http://www.thisisanf...rsenal-victory/ 

 

Interesting tactical take on it from Jonathan Wilson 


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Posted 16 August 2016 - 02:31 AM

I think Lucas is the only natural player we have for that. 

He's also the least likely player on the pitch to nick a goal. There's more chance of Mignolet scoring. He's also the most likely player to give away a stupid free in a dangerous area.

 

Lucas had 1 or 2 really good seasons with us. He's been a loyal servent and always gave it 100%. But at the end of the day he is average at best. He made the step-up from being utterly shite to being very average and people need to realise that average isn't good enough.



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Posted 17 August 2016 - 01:09 AM

 

I think Lucas is the only natural player we have for that. 

He's also the least likely player on the pitch to nick a goal. There's more chance of Mignolet scoring. He's also the most likely player to give away a stupid free in a dangerous area.

 

Lucas had 1 or 2 really good seasons with us. He's been a loyal servent and always gave it 100%. But at the end of the day he is average at best. He made the step-up from being utterly shite to being very average and people need to realise that average isn't good enough.

 

 

1) he's not there to score goals. 2) No, that's Moreno. Though you have to expect holding midfielders to give away free kicks as they're there to put in tackles and stop breaks. 

 

I don't agree, I think he's been our most important player for years. Whenever he's brought back to the fold we look much more stable, more organised. He's left out and we have 4-3 thrillers again because we can't defend. 


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 01:39 AM

Just because someone's job isn't to "score goals" doesn't mean they shouldn't. Mashcherano scored goals. Xabi scored a lot of goals. Hell even wee Joe scored goals.

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Posted 18 August 2016 - 07:35 AM

Hey Neal, your team made the bbc football pages.  That's how you know you've made it big...

 

http://www.bbc.com/s...otball/37091532


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Posted 18 August 2016 - 01:41 PM

Haha, yeah we were unlucky last night. Very harsh penalty and we should have had one ourselves. And giving away a 2nd goal in injury time has left us a mountain to climb in Warsaw.



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Posted 20 August 2016 - 04:29 AM

So everyone is going typically over the top about Zlatan and United. In fairness, it must be tough - if you do well people just say "well that's the very least I'd expect from you', whereas if you have bad form for any period at all they're on oyyur backs.  Oh well.

 

Aguero still smashing them at the moment..


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Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:46 AM

I think part of the Zlatan love is because the last few seasons under Moyes and Van Gaal have been so bland that it's refreshing to have a player that has the swagger and braggadocio and who is putting in good results. Not since Van Persie's first season with us have we had a good goal scorer, really. We've had people who have played well, but no one to really excite us. It's a relief if nothing else.

Having said that we are two games into the season. I'm not going to start singing praises yet.

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 12:30 PM

I always thought Zlatan was a really overaited player.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 06:22 AM

I used to think he was overrated years ago but then changed my mind. He's class and is a great signing.

 

I haven't seen MOTD yet but I'm not surprised at our result, given the line up. Again, not a defensive midfielder in sight. Hendo ain't a holding man and Wijnaldum and Lallana are both attacking midfielders, not really central players. The awful irony of course is that dropping Moreno, we've had to use James Milner as a left back, because we've loaned out our best left back, to - get this - Burnley. Ho ho! 


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:01 AM

Liverpool always seem to play better in the bigger games.



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Posted 22 August 2016 - 07:15 AM

Agreed. But still... you can't just go around losing to Burnley.



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Posted 22 August 2016 - 11:22 AM

I'm gonna go the whole season without being nasty to a Liverpool fan.



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 05:56 AM

That's because the weaker teams have a tendency to sit back and defend against us, as they know we don't have a plan B. We can't penetrate an 11 man defence, and we are completely clueless in midfield when it comes to drawing the opposition out.

 

Beating Liverpool is quite easy really.



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 07:40 AM

I think United can be guilty of similar tactical inadequacies.



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 10:31 AM

Prediction: Liverpool should win fairly comfortably tonight. Granted, it's Burton Albion, but this is why: Our lineup today includes Henderson AND Can, presumably in a double pivot. That's what we've been lacking - a defensively minded player in the middle. Hendo is no holding man. 


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Posted 24 August 2016 - 12:52 AM

I was flicking between Liverpool and Dundalk. Obviously I was expecting nothing less than a win for Liverpool but I was pleasantly surprised with 5-0.

 

As for Dundalk, I thought we were gonna do it. Getting the early goal gave me great hope. Alas, it wasn't to be. Still, Europa League group stages is fantastic for such a small club of part timers.





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