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#1 apollocastonople

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 06:09 PM

Im in the market of buying a new guitar, and have recently been inspired to buy an Epiphone Casino (like George Harrison played). Lately, Ive started to learn a bit of jazz guitar, so I think the Casino wil fit that nice.

But, on the otherside, I dont want to get one of these guitars and not be able to still play rock guitar. Should I just get a Les Paul? Or will the Casino still be able to pull off power chords and rock riffs?

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 06:16 PM

Personally I would stick with a Les Paul. MUCH better for rock and can still do jazz. Doesn't a casino have single coils anyway? Maybe I'm thinking of something else...

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 06:20 PM

George Harrison played a Casino for about five minutes, it was more Lennon's thing. As much as I love the Casino (I don't own one, though), I have to be honest. It's not a riffing guitar. It's a P-90-equipped hollow body jazz guitar that is not at all built for that. Semi-hollows are great for riffs, but the Casino will not really be able to get that kind of tone.

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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:37 PM

well to be honest if eric clapton could play an ES-335 (gibson hollowbody) with cream than yes you can certainly use the casino. the thing is that when you really look at it. a guitar is just a couple pickups and a neck. a BC rich could be a blues guitar if you put the right pickups in it. a Gibson L-5 could be a shred machine with the right pickups (but that would be absolute blasphemy.... i would have to murder that person with me bare hands)

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 6 2004, 11:37 PM)
well to be honest if eric clapton could play an ES-335 (gibson hollowbody) with cream than yes you can certainly use the casino. the thing is that when you really look at it. a guitar is just a couple pickups and a neck. a BC rich could be a blues guitar if you put the right pickups in it. a Gibson L-5 could be a shred machine with the right pickups (but that would be absolute blasphemy.... i would have to murder that person with me bare hands)

Well, the difference between an ES-335 and a Casino is that the ES is a semi-hollowbody, with a solid block down the middle of the body. I have the Epi version of that, and I can play anything and everything with it. It would be possible to make the Casino that versatile, but to do that you'd basically have to buy some S-D P90 Stacks and modify the inside of the guitar into an ES-style. It wouldn't be worth it, and I've never, in my limited experience, been able to get a convincing rock sound from a Casino.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ May 7 2004, 01:38 PM)
QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 6 2004, 11:37 PM)
well to be honest if eric clapton could play an ES-335 (gibson hollowbody) with cream than yes you can certainly use the casino. the thing is that when you really look at it. a guitar is just a couple pickups and a neck. a BC rich could be a blues guitar if you put the right pickups in it. a Gibson L-5 could be a shred machine with the right pickups (but that would be absolute blasphemy.... i would have to murder that person with me bare hands)

Well, the difference between an ES-335 and a Casino is that the ES is a semi-hollowbody, with a solid block down the middle of the body. I have the Epi version of that, and I can play anything and everything with it. It would be possible to make the Casino that versatile, but to do that you'd basically have to buy some S-D P90 Stacks and modify the inside of the guitar into an ES-style. It wouldn't be worth it, and I've never, in my limited experience, been able to get a convincing rock sound from a Casino.

see that's what i mean... you could... but do you really want to?

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:08 PM

Stick with the Les!

Imagine how much a cretin you would look trying to rock out on a sparkling pearly blue finished Casino. Ever see BB King shred?? Oh no. I cant belevie I even put that image into my head aaarrgghhhh!!!

(BB did play a Casino didn't he? I didn;t just make myself look stupid there did I?)


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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:23 PM

I think he plays a Gibson 335 i dont know though.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:34 PM

Oh well! You get what Im trying to say though!!

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 12:35 PM

Out of those two I'd say Les Paul, although personally I've found chords to be very muddy on 22 fret guitars when using the neck pickup. The only way to get around that is to use a 24 fret guitar for gigging and such and when recording, do the neck pickup lead guitar stuff on a 22 fretter... then you get the best of both worlds.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE (badldragon @ May 7 2004, 04:08 PM)
Stick with the Les!

Imagine how much a cretin you would look trying to rock out on a sparkling pearly blue finished Casino. Ever see BB King shred?? Oh no. I cant belevie I even put that image into my head aaarrgghhhh!!!

(BB did play a Casino didn't he? I didn;t just make myself look stupid there did I?)


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BB King plays a semi-hollow body Gibson with no f-holes (though he's played some f-holed ones in the past). The point is, even though you'd actually look damn cool rocking out on a Casino, you wouldn't sound good without doing what vince and I described to the guitar, which would essentially make it... not a Casino.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 01:53 PM

B.B.'s famous "Lucille" is a 345. Check out the Gibson site, they have a special model 345 dedicated to him:

http://www.gibson.co...le/Lucille.html

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 02:05 PM

QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ May 7 2004, 09:23 PM)
QUOTE (badldragon @ May 7 2004, 04:08 PM)
Stick with the Les!

Imagine how much a cretin you would look trying to rock out on a sparkling pearly blue finished Casino. Ever see BB King shred?? Oh no. I cant belevie I even put that image into my head aaarrgghhhh!!!

(BB did play a Casino didn't he? I didn;t just make myself look stupid there did I?)


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BB King plays a semi-hollow body Gibson with no f-holes (though he's played some f-holed ones in the past). The point is, even though you'd actually look damn cool rocking out on a Casino, you wouldn't sound good without doing what vince and I described to the guitar, which would essentially make it... not a Casino.

He could of course not get a Casino and get an Epiphone Rivera or Sheraton instead. I personally prefer the sound of them over the Les Paul and can handle rock and jazz.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (nnyrad @ May 7 2004, 06:05 PM)
QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ May 7 2004, 09:23 PM)
QUOTE (badldragon @ May 7 2004, 04:08 PM)
Stick with the Les!

Imagine how much a cretin you would look trying to rock out on a sparkling pearly blue finished Casino. Ever see BB King shred?? Oh no. I cant belevie I even put that image into my head aaarrgghhhh!!!

(BB did play a Casino didn't he? I didn;t just make myself look stupid there did I?)


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BB King plays a semi-hollow body Gibson with no f-holes (though he's played some f-holed ones in the past). The point is, even though you'd actually look damn cool rocking out on a Casino, you wouldn't sound good without doing what vince and I described to the guitar, which would essentially make it... not a Casino.

He could of course not get a Casino and get an Epiphone Rivera or Sheraton instead. I personally prefer the sound of them over the Les Paul and can handle rock and jazz.

True enough; those are very good, and I love semi-hollows. They're very different from Casinos, though. I'd recommend a semi-hollow guitar in this case.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 05:14 PM

I would reccomned the LP for rockin and the casino for anything else.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 05:32 PM

QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 7 2004, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ May 7 2004, 01:38 PM)
QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 6 2004, 11:37 PM)
well to be honest if eric clapton could play an ES-335 (gibson hollowbody) with cream than yes you can certainly use the casino. the thing is that when you really look at it. a guitar is just a couple pickups and a neck. a BC rich could be a blues guitar if you put the right pickups in it. a Gibson L-5 could be a shred machine with the right pickups (but that would be absolute blasphemy.... i would have to murder that person with me bare hands)

Well, the difference between an ES-335 and a Casino is that the ES is a semi-hollowbody, with a solid block down the middle of the body. I have the Epi version of that, and I can play anything and everything with it. It would be possible to make the Casino that versatile, but to do that you'd basically have to buy some S-D P90 Stacks and modify the inside of the guitar into an ES-style. It wouldn't be worth it, and I've never, in my limited experience, been able to get a convincing rock sound from a Casino.

see that's what i mean... you could... but do you really want to?

I just dont want to get a Casino (or any semi hollow besides a lp) and not be able to have a classic rock sound.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 06:36 PM

QUOTE (apollocastonople @ May 7 2004, 09:32 PM)
QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 7 2004, 03:01 PM)
QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ May 7 2004, 01:38 PM)
QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 6 2004, 11:37 PM)
well to be honest if eric clapton could play an ES-335 (gibson hollowbody) with cream than yes you can certainly use the casino. the thing is that when you really look at it. a guitar is just a couple pickups and a neck. a BC rich could be a blues guitar if you put the right pickups in it. a Gibson L-5 could be a shred machine with the right pickups (but that would be absolute blasphemy.... i would have to murder that person with me bare hands)

Well, the difference between an ES-335 and a Casino is that the ES is a semi-hollowbody, with a solid block down the middle of the body. I have the Epi version of that, and I can play anything and everything with it. It would be possible to make the Casino that versatile, but to do that you'd basically have to buy some S-D P90 Stacks and modify the inside of the guitar into an ES-style. It wouldn't be worth it, and I've never, in my limited experience, been able to get a convincing rock sound from a Casino.

see that's what i mean... you could... but do you really want to?

I just dont want to get a Casino (or any semi hollow besides a lp) and not be able to have a classic rock sound.

Then get a semi-hollow. Some examples of those...
Epiphone Dot (I have one, ask me about it)
Epiphone Sheraton (or Sheraton II)
Epiphone Riviera
Epiphone Lucille
Gibson Lucille
Gibson ES-333
Gibson ES-335
Heritage Blues Deluxe
Heritage 535
Or just go to music stores, I've seen several cool, random used semis at stores.

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Posted 07 May 2004 - 09:11 PM

What is the kind of guitar John uses in the video for Revolution? It rocks pretty sweet..?
And also, what about the Noel Gallagher Supernova, isn't that one supposed to be pretty rocky too? Jes wondering..
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (ericman197 @ May 7 2004, 08:35 PM)
Out of those two I'd say Les Paul, although personally I've found chords to be very muddy on 22 fret guitars when using the neck pickup. The only way to get around that is to use a 24 fret guitar for gigging and such and when recording, do the neck pickup lead guitar stuff on a 22 fretter... then you get the best of both worlds.

thank you. people never believe me about the 24 fret tone cancelling spot node. although there are guitars like the gibson SG that have the pickups where the 26 fret would be.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE (pimp_vince @ May 7 2004, 03:37 AM)
a Gibson L-5 could be a shred machine with the right pickups (but that would be absolute blasphemy.... i would have to murder that person with me bare hands)

then i must promptly go into hiding. i was in a store that the ppl knew me and I asked about people playing their expensive guitars and they said that they didnt mind as long as they were watching. to prove it they let me play the 7,000 dollar Gibson L-5. i was playing some jazz that people should know but dont, then got the idea to try sweep picking. i couldnt reach farther than around the 18th fret because the cutaway wasnt recessed enough. i then started fierce tremolo picking and the guys told me thats what the guitar was designed for but the whole world was too afraid to unleash its real power. im still annoyed at its not recessed enough cutaway.
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