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#21 ninjato

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 10:41 PM

I don't care if you call it music or not. I'm don't listen to rap and I don't care. If some people want to consider it an art form, fine, so be it. It just sounds like an argument put to a beat to me. I actually wouldn't mind it so much if there was some kind of melody and the rappers had a voice. I can't understand what the hell they are saying in the first place, and most of them sound off key and flat.

It's not like Parliment's kind of rap or whatever that was called back then. That was a lot different and positive.

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 11:00 PM

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I like a wide range of music, and Rap and Hip Hop is included. A huge level of ignorance is shown in this thread, by some. I suspect some folks here don`t listen to any Rap, or Hip Hop, and have only heard what has been put out on the radio. Both genres are music, and some of it is damn good.
There is a level of guitar snobbery on these forums(well what do you expect it is a guitar forum) whereas a good many folks will only consider music with guitar in it as a true form of music, and will not consider other forms of music as worthwhile listening to. Well i say get your ears on and start listening to all musical forms, there is some great music out there worthwhile listening to, guitar is not the be all and end all!!!


You hit the nail on the head there. I think alot of metalheads could learn a thing or 2 about rythm and phrasing by listening to some good rap/hip-hop.

I mostly like the older stuff. It seems that new rap, like new metal, is kind of losing alot of the characteristics of the original forms and replaceing them with other influences.

Bands like NWA, Public Enemy and Biggie Smalls put out some hard rockin' tracks.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:23 AM

oops. I take back what i said in that last page.

I heard Black Eyed Peas a while ago and thought... "hey, they're kinda good" then googled them and found out that one of them is filipino smile.gif i think that song was pump it or something like that.


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#24 Nealio

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:33 AM

QUOTE (destructoet @ May 1 2006, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Say "I" if you think that they should no longer call rap or hip hop music.

Not all (cause there has got to be a talented drummer in the lot) is bad. .00001 % is decent.

Although I have a strong dislike for it, I'm sorry to say that it's still music, unfortunately sad.gif

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:55 AM

its music just and i hate it and its all crap but if ppl can get rich from it good 4 them

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 03:44 AM

QUOTE (lolmerule @ May 2 2006, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its music just and i hate it and its all crap but if ppl can get rich from it good 4 them


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Posted 02 May 2006 - 06:08 AM

Rap is music, as is classical, indie, nu-metal death metal and any other pish i dont like. Old school rap and hip hop (the run dmc's nwa's etc) can have absoloutely amazing tracks and lyrics, and when rap and metal do cross overs, judgement night and spawn soundtracks come to mind it can be mindblowing.

Id say rage against the machine is more rap than metal and they have done some stellar work.

The pre-packaged made for tennyboppers rap is always going to be dross, but that applies for any style of music under the sun IMO.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 06:28 AM

the roots is rap music with a beat and rythm and everything. they are a 4 or 5 piece band i believe. check it out.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 06:34 AM

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I.


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Posted 02 May 2006 - 08:23 AM

Don't slight all of rap and hip-hop because of the current popular trend post-Jay-Z and Diddy. Rap is a lyrical craft that historically presents a minority social commentary set to dancable music—a minor relief in a world of perpetual strife.

The lot of you who dislike rap are reminiscent of the same stubborn white folks who considered ragtime, blues, jazz, rock n roll, punk, and whatever else parents, racists, and preachers historically disapproved of. Same trend, different decade, history repeating.
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 08:34 AM

rap and hip hop should be deemed more poetry with a beat... and form an underground following.

#32 ninjato

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 08:55 AM

QUOTE (improviduto @ May 2 2006, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't slight all of rap and hip-hop because of the current popular trend post-Jay-Z and Diddy. Rap is a lyrical craft that historically presents a minority social commentary set to dancable music—a minor relief in a world of perpetual strife.

The lot of you who dislike rap are reminiscent of the same stubborn white folks who considered ragtime, blues, jazz, rock n roll, punk, and whatever else parents, racists, and preachers historically disapproved of. Same trend, different decade, history repeating.



If I don't like it, I don't like it. Stubborn or not. I have a lot of people give me strange looks when I say bluegrass is my current favorite genre to listen to and play.

Edited by ninjato, 02 May 2006 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE (Tuning Spork @ May 1 2006, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (EXTREMEGUITAR @ May 2 2006, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Of course its not gonna sound like Van Halen, its meant for a bunch of idiot teenagers to dance to.

Unlike Van Halen, who always strove for musical excellence, unpredictable cadences, and incisive, socially aware lyrics.
The "rap is not music" crowd pisses me off to no end. Listen to some.


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they DID however made a "socially aware" music video, if that counts.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 09:19 AM

Most rap I hear nowadays is total noise. Its not good at all. All I see in rap nowadays is impractical clothing and big shiny medallions. Some of it is good though, Dave Chapelle has guests like MosDef (sp?) and Fat Joe and the likes. Really some good stuff is out there, you just never hear it on the radio (kinda like everything else huh?)

EDIT: Listen to a snoopdog song or too. he's kickass live too.

Edited by greendayfreak, 02 May 2006 - 09:20 AM.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 10:47 AM

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All I see in rap nowadays is impractical clothing and big shiny medallions
that's putting it lightly ..... laugh.gif
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 12:22 PM

Claptonman's big list of good rap! Guarrenteed to be better than Fiddy!

Atmosphere
2Mex
Blueprint
Aesop Rock
Illogic
Eyedea
Dose One
Sage Francis
Sole
Alias
Jel
DJ Abilities
Why?
Deep Puddle Dynamics (Slug, Dose One, Sole, Alias)
The Orphanage (Slug, Aesop Rock, Illogic, Eyedea, Blueprint)
Subtle (Dose One and others)
Themselves (Dose One, Jel)
Greenthink (Dose One, Why?)
cLOUDDEAD (Dose One, Why?, Odd Nosdam)
13 & God (Themselves, The Notwist)

Busdriver
Creature
Brother Ali
Vakill
Mac Lethal
Roosevelt Franklyn
Jean Grae
Booka B
Micranots
Mr. Skurge
PNS
Sess
Dynospectrum
Beyond Musab

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:11 PM

Claptonman, i've haven't heard any of those artists.

Are they underground? cos underground rappers i've heard really lack focus/clarity and melodies/beats unlike the mainstream rappers.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:13 PM

Rap is technically not music. Music is composed of four elements: harmony, melody, rythm, and dynamics. If you know rap you'll notice one of these is lacking in rap. Lets see if you can guess which one.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:14 PM

Maybe some do, but I hear every word they say. Beats are mostly all drums, no electronic-like annoying noises. They are definatlely melodic.
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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (systemdelsilencio @ May 2 2006, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rap is technically not music. Music is composed of four elements: harmony, melody, rythm, and dynamics. If you know rap you'll notice one of these is lacking in rap. Lets see if you can guess which one.


who said music consists of these 'elements' and has to have all 4 ?

if it has 3 , its not music ?

rubbish !!!!

which book or google site was that from ?

you can't spell !!

does that mean your words mean nothing ?
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