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#1 araides

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 08:41 PM

alrighty, i used to do chromatics like, superfast(180-200bpm) but if i tried anything other than 1234 or 4321, i would muck it up. so, i tried variations of chromatics. tell me, do any of these help?

1243 and reverse (3421)
1324 and reverse
1423 and reverse
1432 and reverse

and for sweeping, i've got nothing. any sweeping excersices, or any excersies that you think are useful, are welcome.thx

Edited by araides, 23 June 2006 - 08:47 PM.


#2 ride85

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 08:56 PM

play up the major scale in 3rds. it incorperates different patterns and string skipping in the one excercise.
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 09:01 PM

by 3rds, do you mean like every 3rd note?

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 09:15 PM

I think he means something like:

CODE
D|---------------4---6-
A|---4---5-4-7-5---7---
E|-5---7---------------


etc

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 10:30 PM

you're gonna have to try those exercises for yourself first to see if they work. i have found that the best way to train yourself to think of tasteful phrases is to run every scale in intervals

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 07:42 AM

yes they work, very much so.

another thing to do is just play random notes like 1234 on E string, then 2314 on A you know just mix it up and do random things. It'll sound horrible but hey its only excercises and a warm up. beer.gif

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (araides @ Jun 24 2006, 05:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
alrighty, i used to do chromatics like, superfast(180-200bpm) but if i tried anything other than 1234 or 4321, i would muck it up. so, i tried variations of chromatics. tell me, do any of these help?

1243 and reverse (3421)
1324 and reverse
1423 and reverse
1432 and reverse

and for sweeping, i've got nothing. any sweeping excersices, or any excersies that you think are useful, are welcome.thx


the Steve Vai 10 hour thing encourages that type or excersize

try this for sweep picking, or this

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 09:25 AM

Chromatics are just an exercise. Good for stretching fingers and gaining speed. But in practice you'll play more real scales, modes, shapes. Do them up and down, sticking to the one-finger-one-fret rule.

Then, scales themselves are just scales, try to mes around the neck and see how fluently you can do that.

Of course every speed exercise should be done with a metronome.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 09:51 AM

I posted one in the cop a lick forum. Though the article is aimed at picking, I'll be damned if you couldn't just hammer some of these out and wtach the magic happen.

http://www.ultimate-...of_picking.html

Also, here's one by Satch himself on Legato technique:

http://www.intimatea...s.satriani.html

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 04:00 PM

180-200bpm is too fast.

Use the beats as 1/4 note beats at 80 and go up from there. It will also fine tune your timing.

1234 on 1/4 beats then 11223344 for 1/8 picking, 111222333444 for triplets and 1111222233334444 for 1/16th notes. You'll find 1/16th is pretty fast when the metronome is set to 120 on the 1/4 note

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 05:24 PM

The thirds pattern ride85 was talking about (or if not exactly what he mean't, this is one that is useful). A.K.A. "skip ones".

in A major
CODE
E|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------4-----5---4---7--------
B|--------------------------------------------------------------------5------7----5-----7-
G|----------------------------------------------4-----6--4---7---6-----7-------
D|------------------------4----6---4---7---6----7------------
A|---4----5---4---7--5-----7-------
E|-5----7------------------------


and then in reverse back to the A on the 6th string.

if you get fluent with that and want to vary it, try a triplet version:

CODE
D|---------------------------------4--
A|----4--------5--4-4--7---5-5------7-7----------continue to 1st string and then come back in reverse.
E|--5----7-7-----------------------------

etc.

I do that second pattern every day, along with just straight up and down the scale runs, going up & down in groups of 5 (eg. scale degrees: 12345, 23456, 34567, 45678 etc....), then the same thing in groups of 4 and then 3, then the thirds pattern I typed out up there.

I do a different scale shape every day to keep it interesting, and I start at F# and move each excercise chromatically up to the top of the neck and then back down again.

I find these excercises a lot more useful than the chromatics, as it makes you stretch more. (if you use the right scale patterns).

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 08:31 PM

for sweepin a great excersice is:

3-5-3------3-5-3-----3-7-5-----5-7-5----5-9-7----7-9-7-----7-9-5-----6-
-------4--4-------4--4------6--6------6--6------8-8------8--8-------6--6--
---------3----------3----------5---------5---------7---------7----------5----

Do you notice how the lick always changes by two freats after a few sweeps, just keep moving the sweep back and forth as that is what the sweeping technique really is. If you do an upstroke or downstroke alone, you will not learn how to master this technique.

Once you master sweeping on three strings try adding two bass strings like this.

3-5-3------3-5-3------------3
-------4--4-------4--------4-
---------3----------3-----3----
----------------------5--5----
------------------------3-----

You can apply the same pattern as in the first lick to the five string lick, playing the notes two frets higher. In the first lick you'll notice that the pattern changes two frets higher.



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