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#1 mlogans91

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:23 PM

ok, this is kinda pissing me off, the whole "Gibson is so good!" thing. in my opinion there are plenty of guitars out there better than Les Pauls (e.g. Ibanez RG1570). I know that Les Pauls have "that" sound, but you could get that by just putting new pickups in a guitar half the price, one with a faster neck maybe? but what really bothers me about Gibsons is if you get any other guitar (Jackson, Fender, Ibanez) people don't think you're as good than someone with a Les Paul. who's with me?

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:25 PM

If you can really play well it really doesn't matter so much what particular guitar you play as long as the guitar suits you. Be yourself. Play whatever the ###### you want. But play that thing and have a good time doing it.

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:30 PM

ya lots of other guitars are good but thats no reasen to dis gibson noani.gif

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:33 PM

Les Pauls are hyped far above their worth, IMO... but it should not matter. You should play what you want for what it is, not because someone else tells you to play that. I think that a lot of people started playing Paul's because that's what Jimmy Page or {insert personal guitar hero's name here} played. They got one as their first guitar (probably just an Epiphone) and got used to playing that type of guitar. And since Paul's do sound good, they probably saw no reason to switch.

I am guilty of that very thing, but in reverse. I started playing a Stratocaster because that's what Deniz Tek (guitarist for Radio Birdman and recently toured with the MC 5) told me to play. Plus, that's what Clapton played and since he was a large part of the reason I picked up a guitar in the first place, it seemed to fit. That was almost 6 years ago and I've never found another guitar that I like as much.

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:37 PM

QUOTE (mlogans91 @ Jun 28 2006, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok, this is kinda pissing me off, the whole "Gibson is so good!" thing.



Feeling a little inadequate? Play what you want, who gives a phuck what the other guy is playing. If it's pissing you off that much, it must be true.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 01:10 AM

QUOTE (mlogans91 @ Jun 28 2006, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok, this is kinda pissing me off, the whole "Gibson is so good!" thing. in my opinion there are plenty of guitars out there better than Les Pauls (e.g. Ibanez RG1570). I know that Les Pauls have "that" sound, but you could get that by just putting new pickups in a guitar half the price, one with a faster neck maybe? but what really bothers me about Gibsons is if you get any other guitar (Jackson, Fender, Ibanez) people don't think you're as good than someone with a Les Paul. who's with me?

Gibson guitars do indeed sound really good in my opinion, I don't have that opinion because everyone else says they're good. It's because I think they sound good. There may well be better guitars out there, but everyone's taste is different. There's nothing wrong with that. Putting new pickups in a guitar can indeed help create a Les Paul type tone but it's important to realise that it's not pickups alone that gives a guitar it's own sound.

You say that it bothers you when someone else thinks that any other guitar is not as good as a Gibson. Why is that? Everyone has their own opinions, and even if someone only likes a certain guitar because they think they're "supposed" to, Don't worry about it. Worry about the guitar you like, and fuck what everyone else thinks. At the end of the day, it's you that's going to be paying for it and playing it. It's your guitar. Not someone elses

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 03:55 AM

I guess the reason that so many great guitarists, both well-known and unknown, choose Gibson instead is because they're stupid or have money they'd like to waste or both. Or maybe just never experienced the pure pleasure of holding an Ibanez RG on a stage and playing it on 10 through a stack of tubes. (Or in a Guitar Center show-room!!! ). And a Les Paul is not the only guitar Gibson makes (and there are probably about ten different Les Pauls now anyway ranging from entry-level to upper-level).











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Posted 28 June 2006 - 05:53 AM

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 08:27 AM

QUOTE (misterhat @ Jun 28 2006, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you can really play well it really doesn't matter so much what particular guitar you play as long as the guitar suits you. Be yourself. Play whatever the ###### you want. But play that thing and have a good time doing it.


Just look at regie wooten, he plays a squire.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 09:52 AM

Sure, a guitar is what you make it, but the thing with Gibson is that it's been around for so long, and has developed quite a reputation for having great gutiars and having a wide range of gutiars (from LPs to SGs to Vs to ESs....). And they really do play quite nicely. I really really really want a Les Paul, but I can't afford it; however I'm sure it is well worth the money.

I don't know if it's just me, but whenever I see a musician pick up any Gibson, I somewhat subconsciously expect more from him than if he picked up a Strat, for example. It's just that Gibson's been a sign of class over the years, whereas Fender is kind of a 'laid-back' guitar (if you know what I mean...).

But honestly, do NOT compare Gibson with Ibanez. Seriously. Ibanez is dip$#!t next to a Gibson.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 09:54 AM

Well, topic starter, the fact is that no ibanez RG series guitar is made at even close to the same quality level as a gibson les paul standard. The pickups, the wood and the construction all contribute to the unique tone of the les paul. "Fast" necks aren't really faster, they're just thinner which for some reason people seem to think makes your fingers move fast. In reality, the only thing thin necks do is suck the tone out of your guitar and give you hand cramps from pinching down on little tiny girly necks. Finaly, buying a Jackson, Fender or Ibanez instead of a Gibson dosen't make you a bad guitar player, just a dumb one (exceptions for those who can't afford it or play surf guitar ((Fender)) ).


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Posted 28 June 2006 - 10:01 AM

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"Fast" necks aren't really faster, they're just thinner which for some reason people seem to think makes your fingers move fast. In reality, the only thing thin necks do is suck the tone out of your guitar and give you hand cramps from pinching down on little tiny girly necks.


It's nice to see other people that realize the whole "fast" neck stuff is hype. The slim taper 60's neck suck. My hand can barely make it thru 3 passages of chording on "Girl from Ipanema" in F yet I can chord forever w/ my 68 LP Custom w/ the FAT neck.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE (ninjato @ Jun 28 2006, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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"Fast" necks aren't really faster, they're just thinner which for some reason people seem to think makes your fingers move fast. In reality, the only thing thin necks do is suck the tone out of your guitar and give you hand cramps from pinching down on little tiny girly necks.


It's nice to see other people that realize the whole "fast" neck stuff is hype. The slim taper 60's neck suck. My hand can barely make it thru 3 passages of chording on "Girl from Ipanema" in F yet I can chord forever w/ my 68 LP Custom w/ the FAT neck.


Even if you do have a 'slow' neck, action, really, would do the trick. I can see the difference in a LP neck from my Strat's neck in that the strings are closer together, and it seems a little smaller which makes some things easier. But like my Casino's neck, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that the build of the whole thing isn't exactly made to shred the 10 minute live version of EVH Eruption, if you know what I mean.

Sure, guitar necks DO make a difference in your playing, but not a whole universe. And again, some gutiars are just built different, which may be the reason why people think that LP 'necks' are fast, but really it's the build of the whole thing (of which the necks play a part).

Edited by kkatarn327, 28 June 2006 - 10:23 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2006 - 10:26 AM

QUOTE (kkatarn327 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if you do have a 'slow' neck, action, really, would do the trick. I can see the difference in a LP neck from my Strat's neck in that the strings are closer together, and it seems a little smaller which makes some things easier. But like my Casino's neck, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that the build of the whole thing isn't exactly made to shred the 10 minute live version of EVH Eruption, if you know what I mean.



To me, "action" is how close the string are from the fretboard and not how close they are to each other. All the Epi's I've ever played come w/ the slim taper neck. I had to get rid of my Sheraton 2 because of that....I loved that guitar.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 10:33 AM

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Even if you do have a 'slow' neck, action, really, would do the trick. I can see the difference in a LP neck from my Strat's neck in that the strings are closer together, and it seems a little smaller which makes some things easier. But like my Casino's neck, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that the build of the whole thing isn't exactly made to shred the 10 minute live version of EVH Eruption, if you know what I mean.



To me, "action" is how close the string are from the fretboard and not how close they are to each other. All the Epi's I've ever played come w/ the slim taper neck. I had to get rid of my Sheraton 2 because of that....I loved that guitar.


Yeah, me too, but what I mean was because the Gibsons and Epis are built with the strings closer together and the slimmer necks, people think that's what makes it faster. In a way, it is, because that's the main difference in the playability of a Paul vs. my Strat.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 11:42 AM

The strings on a Gibson is spaced a little wider than an Epi even though both claim to have a 1 1/16th inch nut.

Fatter necks don't require as much movement from my hand and gives me something to anchor my thumb on.

I especially like Ovation necks. I wish I could have Ovation necks on all my guitars.

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (mlogans91 @ Jun 28 2006, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok, this is kinda pissing me off, the whole "Gibson is so good!" thing. in my opinion there are plenty of guitars out there better than Les Pauls (e.g. Ibanez RG1570). I know that Les Pauls have "that" sound, but you could get that by just putting new pickups in a guitar half the price, one with a faster neck maybe? but what really bothers me about Gibsons is if you get any other guitar (Jackson, Fender, Ibanez) people don't think you're as good than someone with a Les Paul. who's with me?


Gibson is good, so is Fender, Jackson, Squier, Swift, Encore, Epiphone, infact any guitar is good in the right hands. I own Gibsons, Fenders, Squiers, Epiphones, Ozark, Allden, ect, and i can make them sounfd as good, or bad as each other. I Prefer My Gibson SG because it is one of the best guitars i play on, it suits me, and my style, as does my Tele. Unless you have played a Gibson, you will not know that there is more to the Gibson guitar than the sound it makes. If you were to put a set of Gibson Pups in an Epiphone, you would not be making an improvement on the guitar except maybe the sound. It would still be an Epiphone.

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 07:28 AM

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Finaly, buying a Jackson, Fender or Ibanez instead of a Gibson dosen't make you a bad guitar player, just a dumb one (exceptions for those who can't afford it or play surf guitar ((Fender)) ).


'Dumb?' Hardly. There's a lot of folk that happen to like the way a Tele or Strat etc sounds and plays and would chose one of those over (or as well as) a Les Paul or SG not because they're 'dumb' or 'can't afford a Gibson' but because of their own preferences and needs.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE (halfmoonbay @ Jun 29 2006, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
'Dumb?' Hardly. There's a lot of folk that happen to like the way a Tele or Strat etc sounds and plays and would chose one of those over (or as well as) a Les Paul or SG not because they're 'dumb' or 'can't afford a Gibson' but because of their own preferences and needs.


You missed the part where it says:


(exceptions for those who can't afford it or play surf guitar ((Fender)) ). wink.gif

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (ninjato @ Jun 28 2006, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (kkatarn327 @ Jun 28 2006, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>



Even if you do have a 'slow' neck, action, really, would do the trick. I can see the difference in a LP neck from my Strat's neck in that the strings are closer together, and it seems a little smaller which makes some things easier. But like my Casino's neck, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that the build of the whole thing isn't exactly made to shred the 10 minute live version of EVH Eruption, if you know what I mean.



To me, "action" is how close the string are from the fretboard and not how close they are to each other. All the Epi's I've ever played come w/ the slim taper neck. I had to get rid of my Sheraton 2 because of that....I loved that guitar.


My Epi LP Custom has a thicker neck than any of the other Epi's I've played. Although not as thick as my buddy's Gibson LP, I can still play better than him,lol.....



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