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#1 Hobs911

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 07:14 AM

Ive seen Derek Trucks both with The Allmans and The Derek Trucks band Numerous times as well as Warren Hayens solo and with Gov't Mule. I know that Warren uses his Lp through a Soldano amp with his various effects pedals and Derek plays his Sg but uses a Hotplate I know this allows you to crank your tube amp all the way up and controll the volume on the plate but is this good for your amp. Warren dosent use one and there slide tones are fairly similar. Im considereing getting one for my Fender Deluxe. Does anyone use one of these or had any problems thanks.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 08:45 AM

I think Derek Trucks uses a Fender Super Reverb which does not have a gain channel and it would be insanely loud to just crank it up and get distortion out of it. In one interview I read, he said that he does not use any pedals at all and so he would need to use a power attenuator in order to get some drive out of the amp without damaging his hearing.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 10:09 AM

you really think their slide tones are similar?

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 10:27 AM

Derek uses no effects. His SG 65(?) reissue goes straight into his amp.

Who knows maybe he uses an attenuateur. I good one will not affect your tone at all and does not damage the amp in anyway. If you want an attenuator Weber makes the best ones by far. They are great, much better than the Marshall.
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 11:44 AM

i'm pretty sure he does use one. his tone has the same bite when he plays at low volumes as when he is up on stage. and that tone is always loud and piercing. (not to mention godly)

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE (kurtlives @ Jan 17 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Derek uses no effects. His SG 65(?) reissue goes straight into his amp.

Who knows maybe he uses an attenuateur. I good one will not affect your tone at all and does not damage the amp in anyway. If you want an attenuator Weber makes the best ones by far. They are great, much better than the Marshall.


I think I remember reading in Guitar Player a few years ago that his amps are modded.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 12:05 PM

QUOTE (one_who_rocks @ Jan 17 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (kurtlives @ Jan 17 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Derek uses no effects. His SG 65(?) reissue goes straight into his amp.

Who knows maybe he uses an attenuateur. I good one will not affect your tone at all and does not damage the amp in anyway. If you want an attenuator Weber makes the best ones by far. They are great, much better than the Marshall.


I think I remember reading in Guitar Player a few years ago that his amps are modded.


i as well remember reading this.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 12:43 PM

His Gibson SG is a 61 Reissue from 2000 apparently. at least this is what Wikipedia states although I thought he owned an original 60's made Gibson SG, not a reissue. His amp is a 1965 Fender Super Reverb with Pyle Driver MH1020 speakers, though the original amps used Oxford 10L6, CTS 10" (AlNiCo or ceramic) or Rola 10" ceramic speakers depending on the year, however those two speaker types are from the silverface era which was 1968-1981. The reissue has Jensen P10 speakers though, but from what I have read on the amps, the speakers are essentially the same as the ones from back in the 50's.

From what I have gathered, the only mod that Derek Trucks has done was to the speakers of his amp, which just got swapped for newer ones.

While on the subject of speakers, I found an old Celestion G12-80 speaker at work the other day. Suffice to say that if it wasnt extremely dirty and disgusting, as well as the soft fabric material not having been torn out and wires ripped apart, I would have swiped it up and used it for something.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 10:10 AM

doesnt he use a deluxe reverb

wtf is that noise?

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:08 PM

There are some other details I can supply if you really want to know. But for now here is the straight stuff from his amp tech... Lord Valve aka Willie

"Derek plays a reissue SG.

He uses open E tuning, and never uses a pick. He uses no
effects of any kind, and connects the guitar to the amp with
a cable I built for him.

His main amp is a '65 Blackface Super Reverb, loaded with
Pyle Driver MW-1040 speakers. (These are *not* "car audio"
speakers as you may have read on the Net.) The speakers
were made in 1980, same year Derek was born. The circuitry
has a few minor tweaks - there is a ground lift switch on
the tremelo circuit, which gives a bit of extra output on
the Vibrato channel. Derek also runs the Normal channel
with no tube installed, for another (very) slight gain
increase on the Vibrato channel. The 5AR4 rectifier feeds
a 50uF input capacitor, rather than the stock 35uF value.
The EXT speaker jack has been converted to a line out, using
a 20 to 1 resistive voltage divider. Tube compliment is as
follows, looking at the amp from the REAR and numbering the
sockets from RIGHT to LEFT:

1) No tube installed (Normal channel preamp)
2) NOS Beijing-production Silver Special 12AX7 (Vibrato channel preamp)
3) NOS PHilips JAN 12AT7WC (reverb tank driver)
4) Reflektor-production Tung-Sol 12AX7 (reverb recovery/mixer)
5) Any 12AX7 that still lights up (tremelo oscillator)
6) NOS Mullard CV-4024/12At7WA (phase inverter)
7) NOS JAN Philips 7581A (power tube)
8) NOS JAN Philips 7581A (power tube)
9) NOS JAN Philips 5AR4/GZ-34 (rectifier)

Lately, Derek has been runing two BFSRs in larger venues,
set up in a V configuration with the speakers firing
across each other at about a 90-degree angle. When this
is done, the line output on the '65 feeds a Behringer
volume pedal, the output of which is plugged into the
Vibrato channel input on his '66 BFSR, which until last
March when I completely overhauled it, was the third-string
backup amp. The '66 has the same circuitry tweaks, with
no line out jack installed. It runs a different tube
set, as follows:

1) No tube
2) Reflektor-production Tung-Sol 12AX7
3) NOS JAN PHilips 12AT7WA
4) Reflektor-production Tung-Sol 12AX7
5) Anything that still lights up
6) NOS Mullard CV-4024/12AT7WA
7) Reflektor-production Svetlana 6L6GC
8) Reflektor-production Svetlana 6L6GC
9) Sovtek GZ-34

This amp is outfitted with a custom speaker made
by Ted Weber, called the DT-10 V1.1. (I have the
exclusive on this speaker, so if you want a set,
see my sig.) This speaker was originally developed
for use in the custom design Super Sixes I built for
Derek to use with the Allman Brothers. It's essentially
a clone of the 1980 Pyle Driver MW-1040. The '66 BFSR
is occasionally used as the number one amp in venues
with live acoustics, as it is a bit darker than the
'65. When both amps are run together, Derek uses the
volume pedal to add in as much of the '66 as is necessary
to produce his feedback effects. (Stage level for the
DTB has been creeping upward lately, what with the larger
venues they're working, hence the extra amp.)

With the Allman Brothers, Derek runs two Fender Super Six
amps, completely redesigned and built from the bare chassis
up. They have a rectifier selection switch which allows
Derek to select between a stock Fender fullwave diode
rectifier circuit and a "saggy" rectifier circuit which
emulates a tube. In the "hard" position, the amps are
capable of outputting around 124 watts each, driving six
10" Weber DT-10s. In the "soft" position, the amps are
around 92 watts each. On the last tour, Derek ran both
amps, with both channels wyed together on each amp. (This
is possible because I put both channels in phase on each
amp, unlike the stock configuration where one is phased
differently from the other.) He preferred the "saggy"
rectifier switch position when running both amps together,
which gave him a total of about 180 watts driving twelve
10" speakers. Sounds pretty good. ;-) If you need more
detailed info, get my number from my sig (below) and call
me.

Lord Valve
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Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:32 PM

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 03:35 PM

Expert my ass, Derek Trucks was not born in 1980, he was born on June 8th 1979 tongue.gif

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (AcousticSmash @ Jan 18 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Expert my ass, Derek Trucks was not born in 1980, he was born on June 8th 1979 tongue.gif


Touche Senor Touche... it is worth noting that when derek's gear was stolen and he had to rebuild an amp, he searched high and low for the real speakers (MH-1040s) and did not use the DT-10s

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 07:46 AM

QUOTE (kg815 @ Jan 17 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you really think their slide tones are similar?


They do have similar tones. The are both obviously are very melodic and use the same "Scratch" technique. Dont hate it is after all on only my opinion.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:25 AM

lol how am i hating? all i did was harmlessly ask a question. if i was hating i would say somthing along the lines of "wtf? how cud u think their slide tonez r similar. r u st00pid?"

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 07:13 AM

QUOTE (kg815 @ Jan 22 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol how am i hating? all i did was harmlessly ask a question. if i was hating i would say somthing along the lines of "wtf? how cud u think their slide tonez r similar. r u st00pid?"


I feel. My bad

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 04:21 PM

Just to take a tangent here, but I just saw that Derek Trucks is featured on Elvin Bishop's new album. Heard some tracks already on Bishop's myspace and it sounds great. Pretty excited for the album which comes out 9/23.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 04:57 PM

He's also featured on the new McCoy Tyner record coming out called "Guitars", for what its worth

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (kg815 @ Aug 20 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's also featured on the new McCoy Tyner record coming out called "Guitars", for what its worth

Yeah I saw that. he plays greensleeves and slapback blues with tyner. Here's a video ad for the album on youtube:
You can hear a little bit of Trucks and Tyner playing Greensleeves around the 7 min mark. pretty sweet. I think I might pick this one up...
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 04:26 AM

QUOTE (Hobs911 @ Jan 17 2008, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ive seen Derek Trucks both with The Allmans and The Derek Trucks band Numerous times as well as Warren Hayens solo and with Gov't Mule. I know that Warren uses his Lp through a Soldano amp with his various effects pedals and Derek plays his Sg but uses a Hotplate I know this allows you to crank your tube amp all the way up and controll the volume on the plate but is this good for your amp. Warren dosent use one and there slide tones are fairly similar. Im considereing getting one for my Fender Deluxe. Does anyone use one of these or had any problems thanks.



QUOTE (AcousticSmash @ Jan 17 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Derek Trucks uses a Fender Super Reverb which does not have a gain channel and it would be insanely loud to just crank it up and get distortion out of it. In one interview I read, he said that he does not use any pedals at all and so he would need to use a power attenuator in order to get some drive out of the amp without damaging his hearing.


I'm not familiar with all this nu-stuff, but when I played electrically I usually played pretty clean and would always crank my amp up (usually around 10) and control the volume with the guitar's v-knob or a volume pedal. I wanted the natural over-drive and distortion of the tubes. As far as how hard it is on the amps, I had very few problems (rarely blew a tube, etc) (generally I used West-Avalon or Mesa Boogie amps, briefly Hi-Watt), but when it comes down to it, I considered my amp merely a tool to get the sound I wanted. That was what was most important... the sound I wanted. Not that I would intentionally abuse an amp (or guitar or any piece of equipment), but they are all merely tools. A craftsman utilizes the tools he has available to the best of his and their ability to perform his craft, replacing his tools if and when they wear out. The execution of his craft is his primary concern, not his tools. The music you want to play is the primary concern, not the tools you use to do it with.

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