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We live in second-hand worldsThe first rule for understanding the human condition


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#1 Blugh Grant

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:00 AM

Edward Said, introducing a quote from C.Wright Mills

"No-one lives in direct contact either with truth or with reality. Each of us lives in a world actually made by human beings, in which such things as "the nation" or "Christianity" or "Islam" are the result of agreed-upon convention, of historical processes, and, above all, of willed human labour expended to give those things an identity we can recognise.

....we tend to disregard or minimise the extent to which we depend for our sense of reality not just on the interpretations and meanings we form individually for ourselves but also on those we receive. For these received interpretations are an integral part of living in society. This has been clearly put by C. Wright Mills:

'The first rule for understanding the human condition is that men live in second-hand worlds. They are aware of much more than they have personally experienced; and their own experience is always indirect. The quality of their lives is determined by meanings they have received from others. Everyone lives in a world of such meanings. No man stands alone directly confronting a world of solid fact. No such world is available. The closest men come to it is when they are infants or when they become insane: then, in a terrifying scene of meaningless events and senseless confusion, they are often seized with the panic of near-total insecurity. But in their everyday life they do not experience a world of solid fact; their experience itself is selected by stereotyped meanings and shaped by ready-made interpretations. Their images of the world, and of themselves, are given to them by crowds of witnesses they have never met and never shall meet. Yet for every man these images - provided by strangers and dead men - are the very basis of his life as a human being.

The consciousness of men does not determine their material existence; nor does their material existence determine their consciousness. Between consciousness and existence stand meanings and designs and communications which other men have passed on - first, in human speech itself, and later, by the management of symbols. These received and manipulated interpretations decisively influence such consciousness as men have of their existence. They provide the clues to what men see, to how they respond to it, to how they feel about it, and to how they respond to those feelings. Symbols focus experience; meanings organise knowledge, guiding the surface perceptions of an instant no less than the aspirations of a lifetime.

Every man, to be sure, observes nature, social events, and his own self: but he does not, he has never, observed most of what he takes to be fact, abut nature, society, or self. Every man interprets what he observes - as well as much that he has not observed: but his terms of interpretation are not his own; he has not personally formulated or even tested them. Every man talks about observations and interpretations to others: but the terms of his reports are much more likely than not the phrases and images of other people which he has taken over as his own. For most of what he calls solid fact, sound interpretation, suitable presentations, every man is increasingly dependent upon the observation posts, the interpretation centres, the presentation depots, which in contemporary society are established by means of....the cultural apparatus.' "
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#2 James_Coolidge

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:13 AM

So, really, I'm not responsible for most of the stupid things I say.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:19 AM

No, but you're to blame for Blugh's stupid things.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:30 AM

is that all just a big way of saying people assume things? but obviously i didnt read any of it, i was hoping one of you guys would do it for me

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#5 Blugh Grant

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:44 AM

is that all just a big way of saying people assume things? but obviously i didnt read any of it, i was hoping one of you guys would do it for me

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:21 PM

No, but you're to blame for Blugh's stupid things.

Ah, right. Damn. I'd rather be responsible for my stupid things.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:23 PM

Tough. Pay your taxes.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:26 PM

I'll topple the government before I pay taxes.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:38 PM

History is circular.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:48 PM

I'm gonna square things up. B)

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:49 PM

History is circular.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:50 PM

You've got to break the chain of evil.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:07 PM

Evil? It's just history, baby.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:09 PM

that's funny, cause I asked your mother once, "do we live in second-hand worlds?" and she said, "you know what? no. don't be an asshole."

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:10 PM

that's funny, cause I asked your mother once, "do we live in second-hand worlds?" and she said, "you know what? no. don't be an asshole."

No offence to my mother, but i think Edward Said is probably a more credible authority.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:37 PM

Evil? It's just history, baby.

There is a darkish tint to much of the past.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:39 PM

depends which way you look at it. it's all about the angles.


ahaha
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:49 PM

Is that a cinematography joke?

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:56 PM

No.
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Posted 29 September 2011 - 01:58 PM

Whatever. It totally was.

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