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[James_Coolidge]

Wow. I hadn't heard of that before.

I wonder how long people are gonna put up with their own governments limiting their rights. Especially now that the internet has been declared a basic human right by the United Nations.

[wooooogiecrisp]

I'm not posting about SOPA because I've had enough of it on reddit.

[James_Coolidge]

That too.

[Seán]

while i agree it should be, how can the UN be thinking of the internet as a basic human right before they can be sure that a previous one like food is actually being provided for everyone? feels like a waste of time for a group that ought to deal with more pressing issues.

[James_Coolidge]

I agree. They're another in a long line of organizations that make promises that they can't keep.

Or at least urge people to make changes when they themselves aren't willing to do anything.

[rbalch]

The problem with SOPA is not that it fights piracy, rather it's that GZU (and other sites) could be taken down without them even telling me/us (or allowing me to respond to any allegations). That's why it's bad. With SOPA, if a complaint is approved by a court, the website goes down. That's it! No input from the website owner is involved

And it will use the DNS system to 'take down' the websites, meaning that people will start to use alternative DNS systems making the Internet more complicated than it needs to be. Imagine guitarzone.com loading at your house but not from your friend's computer (who had not added some extra DNS servers to bypass SOPA)

So. It's BAD, even worse than DMCA. At least DMCA allows for a counter-notice in the process. SOPA allows for unilateral action to be taken against a website without notifying the website owner before-hand.

I know the news about it is everywhere but it really is important for the future of the net. This is a big deal.

Rob

[Spongeyguy]

whatshisface is right! no internets = no porns

[James_Coolidge]

Fortunately, if we have the IP of this place we can sign on even if it gets banned.

[gusdotcom]

Fortunately, if we have the IP of this place we can sign on even if it gets banned.

Until they expand the bill in a later stage to not only include DNS blocking but IP filters as well.

[James_Coolidge]

Right. But temporary solutions are better than no solutions at all.

[gusdotcom]

Right. But temporary solutions are better than no solutions at all.

This bill is freaking scary and the US is slowly turning into Iran, only with a different God.

[James_Coolidge]

Don't worry. We'll revolt.

[gusdotcom]

Don't worry. We'll revolt.

Yeah, that's the reason you all have more guns than most other armies under your pillows.
If some now rightwing nutjob wins the election, kill him.

[James_Coolidge]

I don't give a fuck about the president. He has a relatively small amount of power in these issues.

It's congress that needs to be fixed. Fortunately, there's currently an effort among the citizens of Montana to have our representatives replaced.

[wooooogiecrisp]

Don't worry. We'll revolt.

this is why there is sopa. protest and eventual regime change in egypt all started on the internet. sopa would be able to shut down any and all sites accoicated with revolt

[dorio]

The problem with SOPA is not that it fights piracy, rather it's that GZU (and other sites) could be taken down without them even telling me/us (or allowing me to respond to any allegations). That's why it's bad. With SOPA, if a complaint is approved by a court, the website goes down. That's it! No input from the website owner is involved

Sounds like totalitarianism

[James_Coolidge]

Don't worry. We'll revolt.

this is why there is sopa. protest and eventual regime change in egypt all started on the internet. sopa would be able to shut down any and all sites accoicated with revolt

Maybe they should quit fucking with our rights if they don't want us to revolt. Which is stupid, anyway. There should be a simple solution to our citizen's issues with congress. You really shouldn't have to resort to rebellion with a representative government.

[Seán]

that's the problem right? there actually isn't a representative government. anyway the first world can't revolt. you might all trade in your shotguns for sniper rifles though and start strategically picking off the people responsible for things like this. that way you don't risk your own safety as much as open revolt.

[James_Coolidge]

Admittedly, it is hard to imagine a full scale armed revolution in our country at this point. I do think that we should be making some sort of effort remove those representatives that are so blatantly misrepresenting us though. You're absolutely right; you can hardly call it a representative government at this point.

One of the problems with Montana is that it's essentially two separate states. The difference between Eastern and Western Montana is really quite a discrepancy. We Western Montanans are mountain faring folk with chainsaws and the like. Eastern Montana is comprised of farmers and wind. It's really hard to keep everybody's best interests at heart when our representatives are supposed to take care of both ends. This is all just an aside though. As far as I know, it doesn't really apply to any other states.

[Seán]

what are the different issues? surely the different landscapes don't make for differing views on human rights issues do they? like the farmers are for gay marriage and the mountain side isn't? or one side likes healthcare reform and the other doesn't?